More UI

[AlexJonson]

I think it's probably just that their partners avoid taking advantage of it without making a big song & dance. You probably haven't noticed that they've accepted the limitations placed on their decisions by their partner's tempo break.

 

Thanks for the clarification Gordon. Of course you may be right, or alternatively wrong.

[Bbradley62]

I would disallow 4S, and impose a PP for the bid.

Where is jallerton? A PP here would be absurd, given that 10 out of 24 voters would allow the bid to stand (shifting Hanoi5's vote).

[bluejak]

I am not sure what is meant by "allowing" 4♠.

 

I would think that the rules of bridge require that the hand be played at 4♠ and then an adjustement be made if appropriate. It seems to me that if partner has a random pointless holding with as few as 2 ♠, the most you figure to lose is 6 tricks for -500 if doubled. Whatever the slow pass means. If you are getting that result, 4♥ is certainly on for EW. I will not dispute that there is UI, but is pass really a LA?

I really do not see the point in this post [and similarly from Ed]. Yes, of course you are right, but when someone asks whether we would disallow an action, please please please please can we accept that as just shorthand for saying we allow the hand to be played out, consider the facts and now would we disallow the action? Surely we can accept that as being what is meant? Please?

 

:ph34r:

 

Incidentally I agree with the principle that when partner thinks and passes in this type of auction his hand is invariably more suited to bidding on than when he passes without any hesitation. Whether logic supports it or not, that is my belief based on experience.

 

As to those who consider 4♠ automatic have you ever tried trusting partner?

[bluejak]

When someone reaches over to the bidding pad, puts his pen near it, then considers and takes it back, this is just the same as someone who reaches for a card in the bidding box, stops, considers, takes his hand back, then takes a card out. It is UI showing doubt. No question.

[blackshoe]

Yes, of course you are right, but when someone asks whether we would disallow an action, please please please please can we accept that as just shorthand for saying we allow the hand to be played out, consider the facts and now would we disallow the action? Surely we can accept that as being what is meant? Please?

 

Fair enough, but when some new director comes along, reads this forum, sees talk about "disallowing" bids when there is UI, and then rolls the auction back at some club game, it's on you. B-)