jillybean Posted May 24, 2011 Report Share Posted May 24, 2011 Here's a hand from the team match today. 4th seat NV you pick up A, AKx, AQxxxxx, Qx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 24, 2011 Report Share Posted May 24, 2011 1♦ but its close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted May 24, 2011 Report Share Posted May 24, 2011 1D, doesn't seem that close to me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BunnyGo Posted May 24, 2011 Report Share Posted May 24, 2011 As usual, I agree with han. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted May 24, 2011 Report Share Posted May 24, 2011 I agree with han. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuburules3 Posted May 24, 2011 Report Share Posted May 24, 2011 What is the maximum hand people open 3D in 4th seat with? I would think this hand is too strong, but how much weaker would it have to be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted May 24, 2011 Report Share Posted May 24, 2011 as ugly as this hand is; well it will be ugly as soon as partner bids 1♠ and not much better over 1♥; it is still not a 2♣ opener. I will probably have to manufacture a jump shift over 1M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted May 24, 2011 Report Share Posted May 24, 2011 What is the maximum hand people open 3D in 4th seat with? I would think this hand is too strong, but how much weaker would it have to be? A minimum opening bid with 7 good diamonds. Game should not be likely opposite a good passed hand unless it is based on my hand having 7 good diamonds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 24, 2011 Report Share Posted May 24, 2011 it's a clear 2♣ to me, but I'm the odd guy here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted May 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2011 I opened 1♦ and jumped to 3♦ over partners 1♠. That is where I played opposite KJ953 6 9 A98753Making 5 for -10imps. The other table opened 2♣ and managed to get to 5♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted May 24, 2011 Report Share Posted May 24, 2011 Ya you hve a tough rebid/tough hand maybe? 1d=1s2h?=2s(minimum)3d=3nt?now5d or p?------------ Jump rebid in minors can be very wide ranging and often ugly auctions...but reverses into 3 card majors can get ugly too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted May 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2011 I'm not sure that we should be in game. If the ♦KJ hadn't been doubleton , onside we'd be saying "good bid". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted May 24, 2011 Report Share Posted May 24, 2011 1D and it is not close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 I opened 1♦ and jumped to 3♦ over partners 1♠. I'm not sure that we should be in game. If the ♦KJ hadn't been doubleton , onside we'd be saying "good bid". No, even if 3NT wasn't cold hopefully nobody would call a massive underbid like 3♦ a good bid. I would just rebid 3NT. If the choice were between opening 2♣ and bidding 1♦ then 3♦ I would open 2♣ and I don't think it is close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siegmund Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 A tough choice. For me the system bid would be 2C-then-4D, even though that bid, showing an 8 1/2 or 9 trick "preempt" is usually a little more in distribution/suit quality and a little less in face cards. The problem is that removes any hope of 3NT. That might sway me into 2C-then-3D... or a crazy gamble on 1D-then-3NT at matchpoints... Very close to what a 4D bid in 4th could look like, too - once again I hate that it shuts out 3NT. Just a tiny bit too strong for 3D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 A tough choice. For me the system bid would be 2C-then-4D, even though that bid, showing an 8 1/2 or 9 trick "preempt" is usually a little more in distribution/suit quality and a little less in face cards. The problem is that removes any hope of 3NT. That might sway me into 2C-then-3D... or a crazy gamble on 1D-then-3NT at matchpoints... Very close to what a 4D bid in 4th could look like, too - once again I hate that it shuts out 3NT. Just a tiny bit too strong for 3D.Our auction would be ugly and odd. 1♦-1♠-2N(GF unbalanced)-3N(at least 5-5 blacks, 3♣ is bid on all unexceptional hands over which I'd intend 3♦) and probably end there, not best. 5♦ is horrid on a club lead if the leader doesn't have the K, but where you want to be otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 Hi, 1D - but if you can stop in 3D after a 2C opening, than 2C is ok,the Single Ace and the Qx doubleton are certainly downgrading factors. The question to answer is, what is your 2nd bid? I would bid 3D, hoping, that the bidding does not end with my 3Dbid, and if it does, that we did not miss anything. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted May 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 3♦, although an underbid seemed to be the best description. I thought the hand was too off shape for a NT bid and not quite good enough to insist on diamonds. I see what 655321 is saying that he would rather open 2♣ than rebid 3♦ but why 3N and not 2N? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 3♦, although an underbid seemed to be the best description. I thought the hand was too off shape for a NT bid and not quite good enough to insist on diamonds. I see what 655321 is saying that he would rather open 2♣ than rebid 3♦ but why 3N and not 2N?A 2NT rebid shows 2-3 spades so with six spades p might insist on spades. A 3NT rebid says you just want to play 3NT except if p has a great hand for a diamond slam (knowing you have seven of them or a very good six). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 Over 1♠ I'd bid 2♥. 3♣ is another possibility. I prefer (and thought it was standard) to use the 3NT rebid to show a solid (or even semi-solid) opening suit and these diamonds, although seven, do not look solid to me. So, is the 3NT rebid that or just 'I have a bunch of good diamonds and enough for game but not exactly balanced'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VM1973 Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 I always thought you were supposed to open with a 2 bid when you had more quick tricks than losers. Based on that standard it's got 4 losers and 4.5 QTs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 I opened 1♦ and jumped to 3♦ over partners 1♠. That is where I played opposite KJ953 6 9 A98753Making 5 for -10imps. The other table opened 2♣ and managed to get to 5♦. Despite me having a preferenc for opening 2C, I think responder is worth a bid over 3D :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 Over 1♠ I'd bid 2♥. 3♣ is another possibility. I prefer (and thought it was standard) to use the 3NT rebid to show a solid (or even semi-solid) opening suit and these diamonds, although seven, do not look solid to me. So, is the 3NT rebid that or just 'I have a bunch of good diamonds and enough for game but not exactly balanced'?Yeah that's right, 3NT is a distortion. But heck, everything is. Maybe 3♣ is less ugly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted May 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 So, a much more interesting question is what do you bid after 1♦:1♠ holding A, AKx, AQxxxxx, Qx It's good to know what 3N would be, I'm still not sure if I would chose it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 After 3 passes I would also consider just opening 3NT. Let ops try to figure it out from there. I can always pull to diamonds if doubled. *ducks incoming barrage* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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