dcohio Posted May 22, 2011 Report Share Posted May 22, 2011 MP, red vs white, 2nd seat. (3H)-? KQJxJxxKAJxxx 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted May 22, 2011 Report Share Posted May 22, 2011 If the red suits were reversed the double would be easy. As it is, it depends on the pair's style, how weak will partner re-open? I think I'll double for it is the best way to reach 3NT if that's our contract, but I'll be really afraid of hearing 4♦ in front. Or redouble on my left. Or am I being too pessimistic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted May 22, 2011 Report Share Posted May 22, 2011 At Imps or MP I pass. The only difference is whether 1 person or 3(5) people whose opinions I care about will disagree. That, of course would be at the table. Here, I am interested in lots of views. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted May 22, 2011 Report Share Posted May 22, 2011 Pass for me as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcohio Posted May 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 Glad I'm not the only passer. Partner agreed with me too... switch the minors and it may be closer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted May 23, 2011 Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 I'd pass. I think this hand is just weak enough (and has enough hearts) that partner will usually reopen if we have a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 23, 2011 Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 Easy dbl, yes. Then pull to 4♠ if pard bids 4♦. Pass is ok too, as pard is likely to balance due to his short hearts if he has some cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcohio Posted May 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 Easy dbl, yes. Then pull to 4♠ if pard bids 4♦. Pass is ok too, as pard is likely to balance due to his short hearts if he has some cards. And if you double and pull, what's your plan when you catch partner with some random 2362 hand and 4S gets doubled 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 23, 2011 Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 The plan is that pard bids 5♦ with that hand and we pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcohio Posted May 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 Why would pard bid 5D? Your double and pull just described a hand that was too good to overcall 3S. Something like AKxxxxxKJxAKx If partner doubled and bid 4S over my 4D, I'd leave it with 2 card support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 23, 2011 Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 Why would pard bid 5D? Your double and pull just described a hand that was too good to overcall 3S. Something like AKxxxxxKJxAKx It is becoming more common that high level auctions of the type "dbl + pull" don't show the traditional good 1-suiter but rather 45s with some extras. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcohio Posted May 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2011 I can definitely see some upside in that, but it seems you would need to be pretty careful red v white. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted May 24, 2011 Report Share Posted May 24, 2011 It is becoming more common that high level auctions of the type "dbl + pull" don't show the traditional good 1-suiter but rather 45s with some extras. Wow, bridge must have been changed a lot since i been on the road i guess. I mean DBL+ pull at high level was suggesting that he can tolerate another suit and direct jump to 4♠ was 1 suited strong hand however required a very good suit. I guess not anymore....Dbl and then bidding your 4 card major at 4 level. Thats very new to me to be honest. I guess u have to jump to 4♠ with this over 3♥ ... AQ7642 Axx void AKQx Also good luck with pd guessing at 4 level which one is your 5 card suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 24, 2011 Report Share Posted May 24, 2011 Look, with that hand you have to make a guess anyway. You can either... - dbl and hope pard doesn't rebid diamonds- bid 3♠ and hope pard can scrap a raise on an half-decent hand- bid 4♠ and hope to play there undisturbed Even if you use "dbl + pull" as big hand, pard won't know if you have a AQxxxx or AKQJxx for a suit anyway... preempts work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted May 24, 2011 Report Share Posted May 24, 2011 the problem with your approach, whereagles, is that partner doesn't know how many spades you have. Or do you usually have 4? in that case, eek, we forced to 4S on an unexceptional 15 count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted May 24, 2011 Report Share Posted May 24, 2011 I can not imagine making a take double with this hand. The hope that partner only bids 4D and not 5 which is quite possible. While not being able to be perfect over pre-empts is true, this is a far stretch as there is no safe landing spot. It would be wonderful to hear the bidding go re-dble and now partner who has 2-3-5-3 shape bids his 5 suit. The phrase will be WHERE is the EAGLE? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcohio Posted May 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2011 I think if the minors were reversed, I would have doubled. Unfortunately with an uninspired 10ct (Qx of hearts) 4234 partner couldn't act and we missed 4S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxhong Posted May 24, 2011 Report Share Posted May 24, 2011 Easy pass. It is an HCP trap. This hand defends well against H contracts and plays poorly facing many 10-11 HCP hands. If I really want to bid, I'd bid 3S. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 24, 2011 Report Share Posted May 24, 2011 the problem with your approach, whereagles, is that partner doesn't know how many spades you have. Or do you usually have 4? in that case, eek, we forced to 4S on an unexceptional 15 count. usually 4 or 5. you can't have it all... it's just a style; I don't have any strong opinions on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 24, 2011 Report Share Posted May 24, 2011 I can not imagine making a take double with this hand. The hope that partner only bids 4D and not 5 which is quite possible. While not being able to be perfect over pre-empts is true, this is a far stretch as there is no safe landing spot. It would be wonderful to hear the bidding go re-dble and now partner who has 2-3-5-3 shape bids his 5 suit. The phrase will be WHERE is the EAGLE? what's the point in bidding a 5 card suit if pard has 2 or less cards in it?? that hand bids 5♣ and hopes for the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 what's the point in bidding a 5 card suit if pard has 2 or less cards in it?? that hand bids 5♣ and hopes for the best. How did u come up with pard having 2 or less cards in it ? And if so, Whats the point of bidding your 4 card major suit, 4 level, when pd is known to have 2 or less in that suit ? :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 Look, for the last time: if one bids (3x) dbl (pass) 4y(pass) 4z then, in my style, doubler has at most 2 cards in suit y (with 3 he passes). So, if responder has only 5 cards in y, there's no point in insisting on suit y. The point of bidding 4z with 4 cards, a suit were pard rates to have no more than 3 cards (not 2), is to look for a better contract than 4y. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 Look, for the last time: if one bids (3x) dbl (pass) 4y(pass) 4z then, in my style, doubler has at most 2 cards in suit y (with 3 he passes). So, if responder has only 5 cards in y, there's no point in insisting on suit y. The point of bidding 4z with 4 cards, a suit were pard rates to have no more than 3 cards (not 2), is to look for a better contract than 4y. Ok..Well...congrats pal ! You had 15 hcps with a stiff K and Jxx in opponent suit, u started DBL, corrected 4♦ to 4♠ with 4 cards ♠ and yes u may find a 4-3 or 5-3 or 6-1 fit somewhere and hopefully sometime soon, with a partner who keeps on bidding shy, just dont be surprised to see the RED AXE from LHO after u and your pd is settled in this fancy bidding jam! Not even mentioning the other messes u would start, if pd had a bigger hand with ♦ But this is a bidding topic, after all there is this popular emergency EXIT door in bidding topics which is called " My style" and overrides all the unimportant stuff like logic, common sense, knowledge...etc. I should have known better and listen to my personal #1 forum rule " Never argue with those who has a style for every bidding topic" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 What's the matter with you? If you don't like my bidding, just say so. No need to get silly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 What's the matter with you? His problem is that he doesn't yet have enough forum experience to know that you will insist on your horrible methods no matter how much rational argumentation is brought to bear upon them. As for the original question, easy pass. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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