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If the red suits were reversed the double would be easy. As it is, it depends on the pair's style, how weak will partner re-open?

 

I think I'll double for it is the best way to reach 3NT if that's our contract, but I'll be really afraid of hearing 4 in front. Or redouble on my left. Or am I being too pessimistic?

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Easy dbl, yes. Then pull to 4 if pard bids 4.

 

Pass is ok too, as pard is likely to balance due to his short hearts if he has some cards.

 

And if you double and pull, what's your plan when you catch partner with some random 2362 hand and 4S gets doubled

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Why would pard bid 5D? Your double and pull just described a hand that was too good to overcall 3S.

 

Something like

 

AKxxxx

x

KJx

AKx

 

 

It is becoming more common that high level auctions of the type "dbl + pull" don't show the traditional good 1-suiter but rather 45s with some extras.

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It is becoming more common that high level auctions of the type "dbl + pull" don't show the traditional good 1-suiter but rather 45s with some extras.

 

Wow, bridge must have been changed a lot since i been on the road i guess. I mean DBL+ pull at high level was suggesting that he can tolerate another suit and direct jump to 4 was 1 suited strong hand however required a very good suit. I guess not anymore....Dbl and then bidding your 4 card major at 4 level. Thats very new to me to be honest.

 

I guess u have to jump to 4 with this over 3 ... AQ7642 Axx void AKQx

 

Also good luck with pd guessing at 4 level which one is your 5 card suit.

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Look, with that hand you have to make a guess anyway. You can either...

 

- dbl and hope pard doesn't rebid diamonds

- bid 3 and hope pard can scrap a raise on an half-decent hand

- bid 4 and hope to play there undisturbed

 

Even if you use "dbl + pull" as big hand, pard won't know if you have a AQxxxx or AKQJxx for a suit anyway... preempts work.

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the problem with your approach, whereagles, is that partner doesn't know how many spades you have. Or do you usually have 4? in that case, eek, we forced to 4S on an unexceptional 15 count.
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I can not imagine making a take double with this hand. The hope that partner only bids 4D and not 5 which is quite possible. While not being able to be perfect over pre-empts is true, this is a far stretch as there is no safe landing spot. It would be wonderful to hear the bidding go re-dble and now partner who has 2-3-5-3 shape bids his 5 suit. The phrase will be WHERE is the EAGLE?
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the problem with your approach, whereagles, is that partner doesn't know how many spades you have. Or do you usually have 4? in that case, eek, we forced to 4S on an unexceptional 15 count.

 

usually 4 or 5. you can't have it all... it's just a style; I don't have any strong opinions on it.

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I can not imagine making a take double with this hand. The hope that partner only bids 4D and not 5 which is quite possible. While not being able to be perfect over pre-empts is true, this is a far stretch as there is no safe landing spot. It would be wonderful to hear the bidding go re-dble and now partner who has 2-3-5-3 shape bids his 5 suit. The phrase will be WHERE is the EAGLE?

 

what's the point in bidding a 5 card suit if pard has 2 or less cards in it?? that hand bids 5 and hopes for the best.

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what's the point in bidding a 5 card suit if pard has 2 or less cards in it?? that hand bids 5 and hopes for the best.

 

How did u come up with pard having 2 or less cards in it ? And if so,

Whats the point of bidding your 4 card major suit, 4 level, when pd is known to have 2 or less in that suit ? :rolleyes:

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Look, for the last time: if one bids

 

(3x) dbl (pass) 4y

(pass) 4z

 

then, in my style, doubler has at most 2 cards in suit y (with 3 he passes). So, if responder has only 5 cards in y, there's no point in insisting on suit y.

 

The point of bidding 4z with 4 cards, a suit were pard rates to have no more than 3 cards (not 2), is to look for a better contract than 4y.

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Look, for the last time: if one bids

 

(3x) dbl (pass) 4y

(pass) 4z

 

then, in my style, doubler has at most 2 cards in suit y (with 3 he passes). So, if responder has only 5 cards in y, there's no point in insisting on suit y.

 

The point of bidding 4z with 4 cards, a suit were pard rates to have no more than 3 cards (not 2), is to look for a better contract than 4y.

 

 

Ok..Well...congrats pal ! You had 15 hcps with a stiff K and Jxx in opponent suit, u started DBL, corrected 4 to 4 with 4 cards and yes u may find a 4-3 or 5-3 or 6-1 fit somewhere and hopefully sometime soon, with a partner who keeps on bidding shy, just dont be surprised to see the RED AXE from LHO after u and your pd is settled in this fancy bidding jam! Not even mentioning the other messes u would start, if pd had a bigger hand with

 

But this is a bidding topic, after all there is this popular emergency EXIT door in bidding topics which is called " My style" and overrides all the unimportant stuff like logic, common sense, knowledge...etc. I should have known better and listen to my personal #1 forum rule " Never argue with those who has a style for every bidding topic"

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What's the matter with you?

 

His problem is that he doesn't yet have enough forum experience to know that you will insist on your horrible methods no matter how much rational argumentation is brought to bear upon them.

 

As for the original question, easy pass.

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