"take out" double followed by bidding new suit to show strength

[dartagnan9]

This has happened so many times, and every time it happens, I send a GIB report. Nothing ever gets done. Perhaps it's my own misunderstanding?

 

I double an opening bid. I have an 8 card spade suit, and 20 points. My partner bids 2 clubs. I bid my spades. Shouldn't that show a strong hand in spades?

 

GIB's response? He rebids his clubs, and will go on rebidding them all the way to grand slam, even if he only has 5 clubs headed by the Queen, and 3 HCP (or even less!)

 

Like I said, I waste a couple of minutes of my RR tournament to send in yet another GIB report. Because they never respond to GIB reports, and nothing ever gets done, no matter how egregious the play or bid, I'm beginning to feel they don't even look at them.

 

Or am I completely off base about what take out double followed by bidding my suit means?

 

Now, even if GIB does not interpret it the way I do, there's still no reason to take me to grand slam with such a pathetic hand. So either way you cut it, it's a bad bug, which has been there a long time, and nothing gets done to fix it. It leaves one feeling powerless to effect change. I've yet to have a BBO response to anything I've posted in this forum, and since they won't do personal responses to GIB reports, you're left feeling that BBO is resistant to fixing things, and has no interest in listening to the community.

 

Thanks, Keith

[diana_eva]

Can you post the link here? Unless we see the hand, it's difficult to realize what went wrong.

 

All bug reports are sent directly to the programmers, and each report is analyzed (even if there is no time to write a mail for each report we get).

[cloa513]

Can you post the link here? Unless we see the hand, it's difficult to realize what went wrong.

 

All bug reports are sent directly to the programmers, and each report is analyzed (even if there is no time to write a mail for each report we get).

I don't think he asked for a reply persay rather if GIB was updated then surely that would be reported in this forum.

[xxhong]

I think there is one fix. If you takeout double at one level opening bid, gib now doesn't take your strong suit bid to show length in unbid suits. That's the only fix in takeout doubles. Example: 1C x p 1S p 2H now shows strong hand with H and doesn't show support in other suits.

When the bidding is high or when opp have bid two suits, the same thing keeps. Example: 1D p 1S x p 2C p 2H: this still shows a good hand with long H and 4+ clubs. Or 2S x p 3C p 3H, this also shows support in unbid suits. All these cases should be fixed.

 

Another hand problem is 1c p 1S 1N: this is the so called sandwich 1NT to show 5-5 in unbid suits. So if you hold a strong balanced hand, you

are completely out of bids, because double would also show 4-4 in unbid suits. This is one of the biggest nonsense in gib system, which opens a lot of

psyche possibilities when you hold a weak hand when white, because opp can be completely out of bid, holding strong balanced hand or strong one suiter.

 

Really, the programmer should play more with gib to understand all such kind of weakness in the bidding design. Now BBO pretty much ignores the QA part of GIB and let users do that job. In some sense, users who report important bugs should be paid IMO.

 

This has happened so many times, and every time it happens, I send a GIB report. Nothing ever gets done. Perhaps it's my own misunderstanding?

 

I double an opening bid. I have an 8 card spade suit, and 20 points. My partner bids 2 clubs. I bid my spades. Shouldn't that show a strong hand in spades?

 

GIB's response? He rebids his clubs, and will go on rebidding them all the way to grand slam, even if he only has 5 clubs headed by the Queen, and 3 HCP (or even less!)

 

Like I said, I waste a couple of minutes of my RR tournament to send in yet another GIB report. Because they never respond to GIB reports, and nothing ever gets done, no matter how egregious the play or bid, I'm beginning to feel they don't even look at them.

 

Or am I completely off base about what take out double followed by bidding my suit means?

 

Now, even if GIB does not interpret it the way I do, there's still no reason to take me to grand slam with such a pathetic hand. So either way you cut it, it's a bad bug, which has been there a long time, and nothing gets done to fix it. It leaves one feeling powerless to effect change. I've yet to have a BBO response to anything I've posted in this forum, and since they won't do personal responses to GIB reports, you're left feeling that BBO is resistant to fixing things, and has no interest in listening to the community.

 

Thanks, Keith

[dartagnan9]

Can you post the link here? Unless we see the hand, it's difficult to realize what went wrong.

 

All bug reports are sent directly to the programmers, and each report is analyzed (even if there is no time to write a mail for each report we get).

 

Hi, sorry, I meant to, but I was having problems with my PC. Here's a link to it. Have to paste it as text. For some reason the link tool in the editor is not working for me. Looking at it again, it's even worse than I remembered. GIB bids clubs 4 times, having only 5 headed by a Q, and 4 HCP in total.

 

http://screencast.com/t/bKU1dNub

 

And yes, I'm well aware I was on a wild goose chase by continually trying to bid my spades, but it was out of sheer frustration!