manudude03 Posted May 18, 2011 Report Share Posted May 18, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=sj97hakt985dq7caq&d=e&v=0&b=14&a=1dd1h1sp]133|200[/hv] First of all, agree with double?Assuming you do double, what do you bid now? Partner is a BBO random as are opponents.(pips may be wrong, board seems to be missing from hand records) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 18, 2011 Report Share Posted May 18, 2011 If pard is a BBO random I'd just pass. I don't have a clue what he'll make of 2♥, which, even if it's natural to him, is an overbid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted May 18, 2011 Report Share Posted May 18, 2011 I discussed with partner yesterday that 2♥ should be natural on this sequence since you only need 1 cuebid and that's 2♦. I would bid 2♥ regardless. This hand is the typical overcall + double instead of the double + overcall wich should be stronger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted May 18, 2011 Report Share Posted May 18, 2011 I haven't discussed this sequence with anyone so I'd support spades. I would have overcalled 1♥, so I wouldn't be in this predicament. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfa1010 Posted May 18, 2011 Report Share Posted May 18, 2011 I don't like this at all. I think this is just a 1♥ bid. I try 2♥ now. Maybe guessing pass is better since partner might easily roll us over the edge after our overbidding, whether we try 2♥ or 1N. I'm not considering 2♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 18, 2011 Report Share Posted May 18, 2011 Overcalling on the prior round is 100% clear, although I would have different problem if I chose to. I like the idea that 2♥ is natural, although at the table I would initially take it as stopper showing. What would I bid with something like Kx AQJ xxxx AKQx? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted May 18, 2011 Report Share Posted May 18, 2011 Overcalling on the prior round is 100% clear, although I would have different problem if I chose to. I like the idea that 2♥ is natural, although at the table I would initially take it as stopper showing. What would I bid with something like Kx AQJ xxxx AKQx?The same you planed to bid had LHO passed I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonFa Posted May 18, 2011 Report Share Posted May 18, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=sj97hakt985dq7caq&d=e&v=0&b=14&a=1dd1h1sp]133|200[/hv] First of all, agree with double?Assuming you do double, what do you bid now? Partner is a BBO random as are opponents.(pips may be wrong, board seems to be missing from hand records)I'm obviously missing something here so another chance to learn :D If I was your random partner, depending on your profile I would treat it as if I was playing with my regular partner: - dbl shows opening points+ and support for the other 3 suits. - 1♥ at least 4 card suit - my 1♠likely to be my best suit and because it wasn't a raise I have 0-7 pts - partners 2♥would be arguing after take out and show 17+ points but I would be rather perplexed at his ♥ bid and would have to read it as 5♥ so I would probably expect something like 3514 or even 3613 but wonder why he didn't just bid 1♥ Anyway, it would be an interesting ride home once I had seen his hand or maybe I would leave him to walk and contemplate the error of his ways on his own. So that's my reading, what am I missing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manudude03 Posted May 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=sj97hakt985dq7caq&w=sa5hj7643d654cjt6&n=skqt4h2djt82c8532&e=s8632hqdak93ck974&d=w&v=b&b=4&a=pp1dd1h1sp2hdppp]399|300[/hv] I'm pretty sure I had the vul wrong at the start, seem to recall it being +870. (East was dealer, put it in wrong on handviewer). Hands only an approximation, no proper record it seems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfa1010 Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 - partners 2♥would be arguing after take out and show 17+ points but I would be rather perplexed at his ♥ bid and would have to read it as 5♥ so I would probably expect something like 3514 or even 3613 but wonder why he didn't just bid 1♥His sequence (X then 2♥) shows a hand too good for a 1♥ overcall. The thread consesus seems to be that the actual hand is a little too light for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfa1010 Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 +870What a psycedelic double. :wacko: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 2H is 100 % natural in this auction. You doubled and bid a suit, it does not matter if LHO has shown it or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 Not to mention he (LHO) may be psyching us out of hearts. As a general rule, a cue of a suit bid by responder at the 1 level is natural. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted May 22, 2011 Report Share Posted May 22, 2011 2H should be natural here, but I would also have bid 1H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted May 22, 2011 Report Share Posted May 22, 2011 Reinforced by success, South will continue to bid like this, and North will continue to stay out of his way. Not the formula for long-term winning, but..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted May 22, 2011 Report Share Posted May 22, 2011 2H is 100 % natural in this auction. You doubled and bid a suit, it does not matter if LHO has shown it or not. This. It is a nice simple rule: if you make a take-out double, and later bid a different suit, it is strong and natural. The only exception is if you could have doubled it for penalties.Even if your opponents don't psyche, they still respond on Jxxx. It's similar after you open 2C. If you want to avoid accidents, just stick to the rule that bids are natural until proven otherwise.2C 2H P 2S we play both 3H and 3S as strong single-suiters here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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