Choice of Opening - 2C or not 2C?

[ArtK78]

IMP Pairs, nonvul vs. vul.

 

As dealer, you hold:

 

 

 

[hv=pc=n&n=sa6hak974dakq73c9]133|100[/hv]

 

What is your opening bid?

 

(spots edited after reviewing hand)

[barmar]

Only 3 losers, oodles of quick tricks, likely game opposite ♥Qxx and little else, it's a 2♣ opener for me. The only misfeature is the fact that it's a 2-suiter, which is difficult to show after 2♣.

[blackshoe]

2♣. To be followed by 2♥ and then 3♦. Or 3♥ and then 4♦, if necessary.

[Free]

I open 2♣ on any hand which will likely make game opposite a considerable amount of hands that would pass a 1-level opening. This is a clear 2♣ opening imo.

[Hanoi5]

1♥ and later 3♦. I don't think the bidding will continue 1♥-Pa-Pa-Pa, there are 11 spades and 20 HCP's outside.

[ArtK78]

I don't disagree that the hand qualifies as a 2♣ opener. The misgivings about opening a two-suited hand with 2♣ are there, but it still seems that the hand is good enough to overcome those misgivings. Furthermore, significant interference by the opps seems unlikely at this vulnerability.

 

However, that was not the case.

 

http://tinyurl.com/6hj8bfq

 

I apologize if I got some of the spots wrong in the original post (Spots edited in original post after reviewing hand).

 

Note that responder's 2♦ response was value showing but otherwise a waiting call. It is my understanding that this partnership uses a 2♥ response as a weakness showing response.

 

By opening 2♣, opener had to guess what to do over 5♣. If opener had opened 1♥, the auction would have gone:

 

1♥ - (P) - 2♥ - 5♣

 

Opener could have doubled or rebid 5♦ over 5♣ and gone plus. As it was, opener had a huge guess what to do over 5♣ and went wrong.

[andy_h]

Yes I open 2C. Not because I'm afraid this will get passed out (although it's a good reason too) but because I don't want to have to play catch-up after 1H-3D. A AK AKQ is way too good.

[hrothgar]

I open 1♥

 

I strive not to open 2♣ with two suited hand patterns

This holds doubly true for two suiters with the red suits.

 

Even if we have an uncontested auction, I still need to worry about auctions like

 

2♣ - (P) - 2♥ - (P)

3♥

[pooltuna]

1♥ it will be hard enough to bid this hand why make it harder by opening 2♣

[aguahombre]

I open 1♥

 

Even if we have an uncontested auction, I still need to worry about auctions like

 

2♣ - (P) - 2♥ - (P)

3♥

 

Heh. Those who use 2♥ as an artificial negative better have some gadgets if they intend to perpetrate 2♣.

 

Their answers to the 1♥ vs. 2♣ debate will definitely be influenced by their follow-up structure.

 

For those of us who don't use the 2♥ response in this fashion, there are still plenty of other reasons we can find to open 1H; including the actual table action.

[blackshoe]

So on one hand interference over a 2♣ opening causes problems. Does that really mean that opening 2♣ on this hand type is a bad idea, or are you guys "resulting"?

[Fluffy]

I don't open 2♣ with 2 suiters, but if my system says aprtner will rebid 2♦ 80% of the time I have a comfortable auction if no overcalls wich is no biggie. We have a comfortable 4NT over 4♠ from opps also.

 

Too bad you picked up hearts and not diamonds at the 5 level. In theory AKQxx is a better trump than AKxxx. Also double or pass could be reasonable.

 

IMO 5♦ after 1♥-2♥ is a slam try and would not avoid playing hearts. But I would also bid 1NT F1 instead of 2♥

[campboy]

Opener could have doubled or rebid 5♦ over 5♣ and gone plus. As it was, opener had a huge guess what to do over 5♣ and went wrong.

Opener doesn't have to do anything over 5♣. One advantage of opening 2♣ is that you are now in a forcing auction. Opener's bids here should show single-suited hands; if he needs help from partner to decide which strain to play in he can pass, which will get you to the right spot on this hand. I don't believe many pairs can bid a non-forcing 5♦ after 1♥ - 2♥ (5♣) anyway.

[benlessard]

This hand is a counter example, it easier to reach 5D after 2C than after 1H.

 

It could also be a a clear example of 1H all pass cold for 3nt/5D.

[aguahombre]

So on one hand interference over a 2♣ opening causes problems. Does that really mean that opening 2♣ on this hand type is a bad idea, or are you guys "resulting"?

Not resulting, and not ignoring posts #8 or #10, either.

[jmcw]

2 suiters are difficult to show accurately when starting with 2♣, and there is always the possibility the opponents can pre-empt before you have called your real suit(s). On the other hand, can you hope to catch up if you open 1♥, or might it go pass, pass, pass.

On balance, I'm siding with the 1♥ opener's, seems the best shot to complete my hand description.

[AlexJonson]

2C

 

It will often be passed out over 1H (IMO).

[Lurpoa]

IMP Pairs, nonvul vs. vul.

 

As dealer, you hold:

 

 

 

[hv=pc=n&n=sa6hak974dakq73c9]133|100[/hv]

 

What is your opening bid?

 

(spots edited after reviewing hand)

 

 

2♣.

Risk is to great that this hand will be passed out, if you open 1X.

[whereagles]

open something strong, that's for sure.

[mcphee]

1H for me thanks, this does not fit into a 2C bid group for me. I doubt the auction will go all pass, it rarely does.

[ArtK78]

Opener doesn't have to do anything over 5♣. One advantage of opening 2♣ is that you are now in a forcing auction. Opener's bids here should show single-suited hands; if he needs help from partner to decide which strain to play in he can pass, which will get you to the right spot on this hand. I don't believe many pairs can bid a non-forcing 5♦ after 1♥ - 2♥ (5♣) anyway.

 

I would just love to hear partner bid 5♠ after opener chooses to pass over 5♣. It could be right to play in 5♠, but I don't believe it is likely to be right.

[pirate22]

try this for digesting---what types of hands has the 2cl opener got? answer

 

4 types of hands 1--a balanced type of n/t hand

2--a 2 suiter hand

3--a bagger single suited

4--a 8 trick hand,and does not want a 1 opener to be passed.

So get your block and tackle out-Stayman-major transfers Auto 2d bids over 2cl openers,

dependent what pard responds to your 2d bid

 

One other feature for advanced players is "Modified Norman" responses to 2cl openers

 

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[Free]

try this for digesting---what types of hands has the 2cl opener got? answer

 

4 types of hands 1--a balanced type of n/t hand

2--a 2 suiter hand

3--a bagger single suited

4--a 8 trick hand,and does not want a 1 opener to be passed.

So get your block and tackle out-Stayman-major transfers Auto 2d bids over 2cl openers,

dependent what pard responds to your 2d bid

 

One other feature for advanced players is "Modified Norman" responses to 2cl openers

 

if you want the last info-send me an e-mail N/C :) apirate1881@yahoo.co.uk 98% success rate

Maybe I missed some new developments in the 2♣ method, but as far as I know a very strong 3-suiter (5440/4441/5431) is also opened 2♣... :rolleyes:

[diana_eva]

I have this agreement with a partner of mine:

 

Kokish relay

 

2c - 2d relay

With a strong nt GF (+24 po) hand opener bids 2h relay to 2s, followed by 2nt = monster hand. System on

 

2c - 2d - 2h relay - 2s (forced) - now 3h means strong with hearts

2c - 2d - 2h relay - 2s (forced) - 3d or 3c means hearts + the minor bid (at least 5-4)

2c - 2d - 2h relay - 2s (forced) - 3s means hearts + spades (at least 5-4)

 

We never used it in practice though :) As it happened no GF two suiter came our way during the past two years.

 

So this hand could be

2c - 2d

2h (relay to 2s) - 2s (forced)

3d (showing hearts + diamonds at least 5-4)

[mike777]

2c

 

but I understand the forum hates to open 2c with strong 2 suited hands.

We are close to an adjusted 2 loserhand.

 

 

1) If pard bids 2h denying a or k we wont miss slam(pard never has perfect cards)

2) 2h over 2d gf.

3) of course pard will still play us for 4 losers.