Which is most "standard"?

[TWO4BRIDGE]

thx, Quantumcat for your additional sequences... including the "sign-off caution" for Opener when Responder transfers to his bid major ; and the "self-splinter " for Responder.

 

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y66 .... I use the same sequences for the 4-4 and 5-5 in the Majors ( in the context of the Wolff Relay ).

But I'm a tad worried about your inability to show a 4-5 or 5-4 since you use 3oM! as an om slamtry:

1m - 1M

2NT - 3C! ( force to 3D!)

3D! - 3oM! = slamtry in other-minor ( om )

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Using Wolff, 3C always "asks for 4 cards Hts" so 3D ( by Responder ) is always natural, GF ( ... your relay unnecessarily "wastes" a bid .... although I see where you can "get out" at 3D your way ) .

 

With Wolff 3C! will show either a) sign-off, b ) the 4/5 or 5/4, or c) 4 cards M and 4+cards Cl:

1C - 1H

2NT - 3C!

3D!( no 4h ) - ??

3H = sign-off

3S = 4s/5h, GF 7+hcp, unbalanced

3NT = 4h/4+c; 10-12 hcp

4NT = 4h/4+c; 13+ hcp, slammish

whereas:

1C - 1S

2NT - 3C!

3D!( no 4h ) - ??

3H = 5s/4h, GF 7+hcp, unbalanced

3S = sign-off ( also a sign-off if Opener replied 3H = 4 cards Hts )

3NT = 4s/4+c; 10-12 hcp

4NT = 4s/4+c, 13+hcp, slammish

and:

1C/1D - 1H/1S

2NT - 3D = natural, 4h or 4s w/4+d, GF 7+hcp

[jdeegan]

:D There are a lot of interesting special systems to play in this auction. In the simple game 3♠ shows 4-4 in the majors with no interest in 3 card ♥ support. Otherwise you bid the other minor.

[Lurpoa]

thx, Quantumcat for your additional sequences... including the "sign-off caution" for Opener when Responder transfers to his bid major ; and the "self-splinter " for Responder.

 

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y66 .... I use the same sequences for the 4-4 and 5-5 in the Majors ( in the context of the Wolff Relay ).

But I'm a tad worried about your inability to show a 4-5 or 5-4 since you use 3oM! as an om slamtry:

1m - 1M

2NT - 3C! ( force to 3D!)

3D! - 3oM! = slamtry in other-minor ( om )

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Using Wolff, 3C always "asks for 4 cards Hts" so 3D ( by Responder ) is always natural, GF ( ... your relay unnecessarily "wastes" a bid .... although I see where you can "get out" at 3D your way ) .

 

With Wolff 3C! will show either a) sign-off, b ) the 4/5 or 5/4, or c) 4 cards M and 4+cards Cl:

1C - 1H

2NT - 3C!

3D!( no 4h ) - ??

3H = sign-off

3S = 4s/5h, GF 7+hcp, unbalanced

3NT = 4h/4+c; 10-12 hcp

4NT = 4h/4+c; 13+ hcp, slammish

whereas:

1C - 1S

2NT - 3C!

3D!( no 3h ) - ??

3H = 5s/4h, GF 7+hcp, unbalanced

3S = sign-off ( also a sign-off if Opener replied 3H = 4 cards Hts )

3NT = 4s/4+c; 10-12 hcp

4NT = 4s/4+c, 13+hcp, slammish

and:

1C/1D - 1H/1S

2NT - 3D = natural, 4h or 4s w/4+d, GF 7+hcp

 

 

 

Yes, very nice...

Make sure your partner's understanding of those sequences is the same.....

[MrAce]

Most people I know play transfers over a 2NT rebid.

 

e.g.

 

With 4-4 in majors:

 

1♣ 1♥

2NT 3♥

3♠ 3NT

 

With 5-4 in majors:

 

1♣ 1♥

2NT 3♦

3♥ 3♠

4♠

 

With 4 of a major, and a minor offering an alternate contract:

 

1♣ 1♥

2NT 3♣*

3♦ 3NT

pass**

 

*=5 diamonds and 4 hearts, not certain about 3NT

**=I am perfectly comfortable in 3NT thankyou

 

1♣ 1♥

2NT 3♣*

3♠** 3NT

 

**=not hugely keen on playing in diamonds, but I do have some stuff in spades if that can help you to bid 3NT

 

1♣ 1♥

2NT 3♣*

3♠** 3NT

4♦*** ...

 

*** Ok I lied. I LOVE diamonds!! 3♠ was actually a cue, just in case you have any slam interest now that we've got a fit

 

1♣ 1♥

2NT 3♠

4♣* 4♦**

6♣

 

*= if you aren't certain about 3NT and have four or more clubs, I'd rather play in 5♣

**= cool, well I'm interested in slam and have a diamond control

 

I assume

 

1♣--1♥

2NT--3♦

3♥-3NT asking for COG with only 5♥

 

But what do you do with 6♥ only game hands or slamish hands ? Perhaps xfer to ♥ and then bid 4♥ or 4x with slamis and just bid 4♥ over 2 NT with game only hands ?

 

Also what do these bids show in this method ?

 

1♣--1♥

2NT--4♣ or 4♦ or 4♥ or 4♠ ?

 

Thanks

[straube]

3C-3D,

.....3H-slam try with 6 hearts

.....3S-diamonds

.....3N-5 hearts, demands a correction to 4H with 3 (i.e. distributional hand and possible mild slam interest)

 

3D-3H

.....3S-4 spades, 5 hearts

.....3N-5 hearts, choice of games

 

3H-shows 4S/4H

 

3S-clubs

[gnasher]

I assume

 

1♣--1♥

2NT--3♦

3♥-3NT asking for COG with only 5♥

Yes

 

But what do you do with 6♥ only game hands or slamish hands ? Perhaps xfer to ♥ and then bid 4♥ or 4x with slamis and just bid 4♥ over 2 NT with game only hands ?

That's what I play. Responder can also transfer to hearts and then cue-bid a minor.

 

Also what do these bids show in this method ?

 

1♣--1♥

2NT--4♣ or 4♦ or 4♥ or 4♠ ?

4♣, 4♦ and 4♠ should be whatever you normally use tham for when hearts are trumps. In my partnerships that means splinter, splinter and Exclusion respectively.

4♥ is to play, since transfer-and-raise is a slam try.

[Quantumcat]

I assume

 

1♣--1♥

2NT--3♦

3♥-3NT asking for COG with only 5♥

 

Yup - 5 hearts and game values only

 

But what do you do with 6♥ only game hands

1♣ 1♥

2NT 4♥ = 6+ hearts, only game

 

or slamish hands ?

With 5 hearts and slam invite:

1♣ 1♥

2NT 3♦

3♥ 4NT

 

(1♣ 1♥

2NT 4NT shows only four hearts and slam invite)

 

With five hearts and definite slam values:

1♣ 1♥

2NT 3♦

3♥ 5NT

 

(1♣ 1♥

2NT 5NT shows only four hearts and definite slam values)

 

 

Also what do these bids show in this method ?

1♣--1♥

2NT--4♣ or 4♦ or 4♥ or 4♠?

 

4♣ = natural, slam invite in clubs

4♦ = self-splinter, slam interest or better

4♠ = Self-splinter (3♠ shows clubs), it would probably show a particular sort of hand (since you might have transferred to hearts then cued something), needs partnership discussion.

 

P.S. I want to add that all of the auctions get even easier when you play transfers over a club as well. If anyone wants any examples I am happy to provide plenty :-)

[MrAce]

Okay, thanks Andy and Quantum.

[Lurpoa]

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The discussion above shows clearly that "Wolff" is a very loose convention - it covers, mainly the idea to play 3♣ as a relay, but what then ? and when is it applicable ?

 

I have a very down to earth question, to those who designed the Convention card for BBO Advanced (2/1 GF). Could our Fred help here please ?

 

 

 

This convention card says: "Wolff over 2NT rebids."

 

This is mentionned under "Other..." and not under 1Minor or 1Major Opening, so I guess that their Wolff is as well over 1m1M2NT, as over 1♥1♠2NT.

 

Is my conclusion right ? Is it valid over 1♣1♦2NT ?

 

So, I expect that the 3C is the beginning of a sign-off sequence....

 

What is the meaning of the other responder bids, espiecially 3D: should I expect that to be a check-back ?

 

Please help a lost soul...

 

 

 

NB: in the mean time I refuse to play Wolff with a pick-up partner.

 

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