opening 4 of major

[dickiegera]

What should an opening 4 of a Major look like?

 

1st seat, 2nd seat , 3rd seat and 4th seat.

 

My partner and I are not in total agreement

 

I don't like an outside Ace 1st or 2nd seat

Prefer it to be pre-emtive 8 card suit

3rd seat anything goes.

4th seat bid what I believe I can make

 

Don't care to use Namyats. Could be talked into it!!

 

Thank you

[Bbradley62]

What does your partner prefer?

[tolvyrj]

I prefer it as an pre-empt also. 3rd seat anything goes and in 1st and 2nd seat it should have some hygiene, u prd may have difficult times after u pre-empt; prd hasnt pass and may have good hand.

4th seat u right 8 and 1/2 tricks minimum. Also i agree with u bout the out side ace, pre-empts should not have defencive values although the trend seems to be towards such pre-empts at 3rd seat at least.

Do get u self talked into namyats bids; otherwise u will have very painful times when try to describe u 10 playing tricks hand to u prd and find some intelligent way to bid slams based on them. B-)

[Lurpoa]

Playing SAYC or BWS2001, or any basic system withour special agreements on those bids:

 

1, 2, 3rd: always premptive. Contrary to what you say it can done without problems on a 7card, and occasionally on a 6card. Most important is to look at the vulnerabilities and respect the 234 rule.

 

Agreed in 3rd, it can be a little stronger, but try to visualize partner's hand: two questions,

 

(1) are there hands on which I could make four, and partner has no ace or less than 5H:

then you must open 4H, but hen why not a 2C opener ? -

 

(2) are ther hands on which I could make 6: partner passed but he can still have 2 aces and K of trumps...... open 1 in this case.

 

 

In 4th: I can make 4 on my own, 4 exactly and no more or less. I did not open 2C because I have only my color. If partner bid now a new color, it is a control bid, he is trying to find out if his Ks will be working.

[Gerben42]

I think when you open 4M, especially 4♠, you should be prepared to play there.

 

Red: 8 tricks

White: 7 tricks

 

I play Namyats a bit different than most. For me it shows a 5M preempt, i.e. 1 trick more than a 4M opening bid.

 

With any of these bids, 1 outside Ace is OK if your hand is suitable otherwise.

 

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1st seat all vulnerable, this is fine.

[whereagles]

I consider that hand to have extras even :)

[Quantumcat]

1st seat: Could have anything. You may be expecting to make or you may not. The opponents shouldn't know which you have.

 

2nd seat: Two or three convenient cards from partner should mean you make (i.e. fairly solid). The opponents need to guess whether they have a game, and whether you are going off enough to make it worthwhile defending.

 

3rd seat: Either you are expecting to make opposite one convenient card from partner or you are expecting to not make whatever partner gives you. The opponents shouldn't know which.

 

4th seat: You are a fairly guaranteed make opposite one convenient card from partner. The 4-opening in fourth seat is made to prevent the opponents from finding a save. This is especially true if hearts is your suit.