jillybean Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 Playing XYZ how do you play 2♠ in this auction, asking or showing? I think standard , 4th suit is asking, does XYZ change anything? 1♣:1♦1♥:2♦*2♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 never asking always showing. I think responder is captain on this auction. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 To me it is very obviously showing 4 cards in spades*, however I have never played 4th suit forcing on any auction by opener. *:2♠ might promise an unbalanced hand also for some people but that is another question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted April 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 To me it is very obviously showing 4 cards in spades*, however I have never played 4th suit forcing on any auction by opener. *:2♠ might promise an unbalanced hand also for some people but that is another question.Hi, 2♠ is not 4sf, 2♦ created the game force.With spade control why wouldn't opener bid 2N? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 2♠ shows spades. 2NT would show a balanced hand. What if you have a balanced hand and four spades? I think 2NT is best. 2♠ has quite a wide range and it may get overloaded if it contains 12-14 balanced in addition to 11-18 4414/4405. What if you have a balanced hand without a spade stopper? I think 2♥, the most economical bid, is best, unless you are happy to bid 2NT without a spade stopper. 3♦ on a 3-card suit may be more natural but it gets overloaded if it contains unbalanced (1435, 1436) as well as balanced hands. What if you have an unbalanced hand with a spade stopper but less that four spades? I think 2NT is ok with 3415 if 12-14 points, at least if the diamond is an honour. Otherwise 3♣ with a 6-card suit or otherwise 2♥. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted April 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 Here's the hand Q975, AK52, V, AT654 1♣:1♦1♥:2♦*? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 This is definetelly a 2♠ bid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted April 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 Q975, AK52, V, AT654 Now what 1♣:1♦1♥:2♦*2♠:3♣? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 Q975, AK52, V, AT654 Now what 1♣:1♦1♥:2♦*2♠:3♣? I'd try 3♥. I'm unclear if we are going to play 3N, 5♣ or higher, but all I know is that I'd rather be describing my hand rather than v.v.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 4♣ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 Yep, 4C. If partner wanted to play 3NT opposite this hand, she shouldn't have tempted us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted April 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=sj83hq3dak52cq732&n=sq975hak52dcat654&d=w&v=b&b=4&a=p1cp1dp1hp2dp2sp3cp5cppp]266|200[/hv] It appears all roads lead to the unmakeable 5♣ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 south for me has a clear 2c bid in xyz and walsh; not game force 2d so: 1c=1d1h=2c!2d!=3c(invitational)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siegmund Posted April 29, 2011 Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 Perhaps we can upgrade our Qx enough to force to game, if partner plays soundish openers. The original question about 2S is a good one. I will add it to the list of reasons I have soured on XYZ. (I was briefly a fan, mostly as a means of tricking partners into playing 1-1-1-3 auctions as natural and forcing, accepting the cost of wasting a 2-level bid to avoid an argument.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 29, 2011 Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=sj83hq3dak52cq732&n=sq975hak52dcat654&d=w&v=b&b=4&a=p1cp1dp1hp2dp2sp3cp5cppp]266|200[/hv] It appears all roads lead to the unmakeable 5♣ Unlucky! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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