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mike777's sequence seems perfect - although I don't play kickback, 4NT works just as well here.

 

I'm still not sure how to value cards in the splintered suit on hands like these - KJxx seems an awful waste, but the key point here is that you have a 10 card diamond fit and that means ruffs, ruffs, ruffs. Not to mention the CQ is gonna be a very useful card now that partner opened clubs and showed a strong hand.

 

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As much as I luv splinters, what is the reasoning for opener to NOT rebid 1 ?

 

Couldn't Responder have 4 cards Hts too ?

 

Do you bid up-the-line?

 

Even if partner could have hearts with both opponents silent partner is an overwhelming favourite to have spades.

 

I would be happy to give up on the slim chance of a better heart spot and raise diamonds immediately.

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As much as I luv splinters, what is the reasoning for opener to NOT rebid 1 ?

 

Couldn't Responder have 4 cards Hts too ?

 

JLOGIC: "I like 3S also if playing a style where partner only bids 1D with a 4 card major if he has a GF hand. We are just very likely to have a slam if partner has 4 hearts in that case."

 

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North South

1C - 1D

3S! - ??

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JLOGIC: "I like 3S also if playing a style where partner only bids 1D with a 4 card major if he has a GF hand. We are just very likely to have a slam if partner has 4 hearts in that case."

 

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North South

1C - 1D

3S! - ??

 

Sure this can happen but it is a very unlikely layout.

 

The opponents have ten spades and neither bid. Sure they don't have many points but there are many players who don't let the lack of high cards disrupt them from mentioning the boss suit.

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JLOGIC: "I like 3S also if playing a style where partner only bids 1D with a 4 card major if he has a GF hand. We are just very likely to have a slam if partner has 4 hearts in that case."

 

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North South

1C - 1D

3S! - ??

 

I think South has an automatic 3N bid in this example. Perhaps the more interesting decision is North's next call?

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I think South has an automatic 3N bid in this example. Perhaps the more interesting decision is North's next call?

 

Sure the KJ suggest NTs however he does have 10 working points when he might have had close to none.

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JLOGIC: "I like 3S also if playing a style where partner only bids 1D with a 4 card major if he has a GF hand. We are just very likely to have a slam if partner has 4 hearts in that case."

 

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North South

1C - 1D

3S! - ??

 

 

again no partner cannot have this hand.

 

also the opp have ten spades and never bid.

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Pard [ Responder ] cannot have 4h or 4s unless they have 5+ d and a game force hand.

Am I the only one who will have Responder with 4/4 in the reds and GF values bid first; whereas, will bid first with less than GF values -- even with longer .

 

 

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The way I see this one:

North South

1C - 1D

1H - 2H ( GF as per MrAce's logic: bids first with GF 4h/4+d )

3S!( splinter ) - 4H

pass

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Ya Walsh puts the majors and nt ahead of the minors. And yes that means the diamond suit can get lost or at least makes it more difficult to back into diamonds.

 

As far as your last auction here, ok but it will be a bit more complicated if the opp bid their ten card spade fit.

 

Also on your last auction you never gave pard a chance to support diamonds if you had longer d. It sounds like the south hand is unbalanced when it is very b alanced but if that does not bother you ok.

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Ya Walsh puts the majors and nt ahead of the minors. And yes that means the diamond suit can get lost or at least makes it more difficult to back into diamonds.

 

As far as your last auction here, ok but it will be a bit more complicated if the opp bid their ten card spade fit.

 

Also on your last auction you never gave pard a chance to support diamonds if you had longer d. It sounds like the south hand is unbalanced when it is very b alanced but if that does not bother you ok.

I never mentioned the "W"-word.

I guess I play a modified Walsh.

 

Here is a delayed Diam-support auction for the original hand:

North Dealer

( opps silent )[hv=pc=n&s=skj43hjdakjt52cq2&n=shak76d8743cakj93]133|200[/hv]

North South

1C - 1D

1H - 1S! ( must be GF w/ or w/o 4 )

2D* - 3D ( 5+ )

3H ( cue ) - 3S ( cue )

4C ( cue ) - 4D! ( Minorwood )

5D! ( 2 + must be void ) - 7D ( known 10 card fit )

_____________________________________________________________________________________

* 2D = must be 4 cards: either 1 4 4 4 or 0 4 4 5

Opener would not bid 2D with only 3 cards since Responder might have only 4.

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It seems clear that an immediate splinter makes things easy but as many others have noted that is resulting of the first order, North cannot rule out hearts, so bidding will always start

 

1 - 1

1 -

 

Also why is everyone assuming North has the K?

 

Would the bidding not be identical if North's hand was

 

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If you ace ask via Minorwood / 4 then there is room for a king ask after 5

but there is no such room over Blackwood.

 

So I like TWO4BRIDGES's auction with the addition of a specific king ask before committing to 7

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JLOGIC: "I like 3S also if playing a style where partner only bids 1D with a 4 card major if he has a GF hand. We are just very likely to have a slam if partner has 4 hearts in that case."

 

[hv=pc=n&s=skj4h8543dakjtcq2&n=shak76d8743cakj93]133|200[/hv]

 

North South

1C - 1D

3S! - ??

 

So we get to 6 instead of 6. Seems a good idea to me.

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Is this the hand that inspired your 1C - 1D - 1H - 1S thread? It is clear that this is more difficult for methods which always bid the major first. My system is not very good at finding diamond slams after a natural club opening but this hand seems simple enough...

 

1C = 15+ bal/nat or 18+ any

... - 1H = 4+ spades, GF

2H = 15-17, 5+ clubs, 4 hearts

... - 2N = diamond stop, asks for more info

3D = patterning out, 3-4 diamonds

... - 4D = slam try

5H = accept slam try, 2 or 4 keycards with spade void

... - 6C = club ask

6N = CKJ

... - 7D

 

The second hand is tougher and after the start

 

1C = as above

... - 2D = bal or 3-suited, 4-5 hearts, 0-3 spades, GF

3H = 15-17, clubs and hearts

 

...I am locked into hearts and play there rather than 6D. Of course not many opps will have been silent here after a strong club opening!

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North Dealer

( opps silent )[hv=pc=n&s=skj43hjdakjt52cq2&n=shak76d8743cakj93]133|200[/hv]

 

1C-1D 15+, GF bal or unbal with 4+ major

2H-2S 3-suited short major, asking

2N-3C higher short, asking

3H-3S 0445, asking

3N-7D 10 queen points (A=3, K=2, Q=1), sign off

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North Dealer

( opps silent )[hv=pc=n&s=skj43hjdakjt52cq2&n=shak76d8743cakj93]133|200[/hv]

 

1C 1D

1H(one round forcing) 2D(gf, 5+ D, sign offs and invitational hands go through 1S and 1N)

3S(void, 4D, doesn't have to have extra) 3N(sign off)

4C(cue, extra) 4D(6+D)

4H(cue in H) 4N(even number of KC, SA excluded)

5C(CK) 6C(CQ)

7D

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I think rebidding one heart over one diamond if you play walsh style is serious error. Partner can only have 4 hearts if he has GF values, and (for me) he will then have longer diamonds. (With GF 4-4 i bid hearts then NT/checkback-ish sequences). If partner has GF vlaues in a 9 card diamond fit then it seems normal to continue with a splinter.

 

I am pretty surprised at the number of people who think the auction will start 1c-1d-1h.

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