pirate22 Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 You hold--sp Q6--J986--KJ42--K75 and your partner is dealer and opens 1cl! ply 15-17 n/t 5 card m and 1d=min 4 cards. next opp bids 1 d. and if we removed the Q of sp for the 7.would this affect ones choice of bids.....suggestions with and without the q spades..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manudude03 Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 I bid 1♥ either way..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 1♥ wtp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 1NT with the actual hand, 1♥ without the ♠Q. Rainer Herrmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 1NT with the actual hand, 1♥ without the ♠Q. Rainer Herrmann Same here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 1♥ wtpPartner may be unable to bid notrump and a raise with 3 cards in ♥s will look normal to him. Now I do not mind 4-3 major suit fits, but this one does not look right to me. Even if partner holds 4 cards in ♥s he may have a balanced hand and notrump might well be better. I can see the play starting with a ♦ lead followed by ♦ruffs. Rainer Herrmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirate22 Posted April 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2011 For a moment i thought i was going mad.............Yes bid 1 ht at least it gets us there.but I really prefer a x {Neg}8+ points any shape.if opener bids1 spade now one can bid 1n/t- my partner bid 1n/t immediatethat STUFFED ME. and then passed my 2cl......... openers hand 10982--AKQ6--Void--AQJ103. s/h/d/c/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted April 20, 2011 Report Share Posted April 20, 2011 Partner may be unable to bid notrump and a raise with 3 cards in ♥s will look normal to him. Now I do not mind 4-3 major suit fits, but this one does not look right to me. Even if partner holds 4 cards in ♥s he may have a balanced hand and notrump might well be better. I can see the play starting with a ♦ lead followed by ♦ruffs. Rainer HerrmannI see your point, but isn't opener very likely to hold 4♠ (or 6♣) when he has less than 4♥? Raising on a 3 card ♥ would be quite rare I think. (anyone up for a simulation? :D ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted April 20, 2011 Report Share Posted April 20, 2011 For a moment i thought i was going mad.............Yes bid 1 ht at least it gets us there.but I really prefer a x {Neg}8+ points any shape.if opener bids1 spade now one can bid 1n/t- my partner bid 1n/t immediatethat STUFFED ME. and then passed my 2cl......... openers hand 10982--AKQ6--Void--AQJ103. s/h/d/c/ I think the error is not on the first round of bidding. Your suggestion of employing a neg. DBL without support for both majors only works well if the bidding remains low. But if opener has to bid ♠ at higher levels (say after ♦ raises) this is not so comfortable. Your 2♣ rebid was not exactly enterprising with your 3.5 loser hand. 2♥ looks to me like a better description of your hand. Having exulted requirements for reverses has its disadvantages and puts a lot of strain on the lower level bids. If 2♣ is the last positive score your side can make you will never be allowed to play there anyway. Your partner's pass over 2♣ is even worse. Your partner can also see that if opener is minimum for his bidding, opponents will never let you play 2♣. Passing 2♣ is an invitation to them finding their fit in ♠ or for advancer to give belated support for ♦ in a weak hand. He should either have bid 2♥ (my choice with a maximum 1NT response) or 3♣.The former is more descriptive (opener has not denied 4 cards in ♥), the latter does a better job in shutting out opponents, who will often have a ♠ fit on this sequence. Meanwhile if opener is not minimum, chances for 3NT must be excellent. As it happens 4♥ is best, but 3NT, not quite cold, looks excellent too. Give opener one more card in ♣ instead of a ♥ and 3NT is still excellent. Rainer Herrmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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