Finch Posted April 17, 2011 Report Share Posted April 17, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=sj98543h8dq52c842&n=sat2ha932dak3caj3&d=w&v=b&b=4&a=2hdp2sp2np3sppp]266|200[/hv] King of hearts lead, to which RHO follows.Ace of spades, everyone plays low. remember: matchpoints Now, line 1 or line 2? Bonus question: what is it were imps, and you were in game? Does that change you line? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted April 17, 2011 Report Share Posted April 17, 2011 Ruffing a heart, cashing 3 rounds of diamonds, and exiting a spade gains when: -LHO has 2632 with HT of clubs-RHO has Kx of spades and KQ of clubs, and LHO is 2632-RHO has KQx of spades and KQ of clubs, and LHO is 1642 Or, barely possible, LHO has a stiff club honor and Hx of spades. This gives LHO a lot of high cards though, and also a reasonable club lead. It gets worse though, if LHO does have Kx of spades, he is not that likely to have HT of clubs given his 2H opener (some depending on his preempting style). If he has Qx of spades though, it does become more likely that the endplay on RHO works, but now LHO can have the CQ pretty easily so it's not like it's a lock to work. Against this, when spades are 2-2 and diamonds are 5-2 we just drop a trick. This seems pretty awful. If I was playing imps in game, I would CERTAINLY play ace of spades spade. The reason is, the main endplay that the endplay works on, works in order to make FIVE (Kx of spades and KQ of clubs on right). However, if we are in 4S we are just trying to make our game. So instead of saying: Which is more likely: -LHO has 2632 with HT of clubs-RHO has Kx of spades and KQ of clubs, and LHO is 2632-RHO has KQx of spades and KQ of clubs, and LHO is 1642 OR LHO has 2623 We say: Which is more likely: -LHO has 2632 with HT of clubs-RHO has KQx of spades and KQ of clubs, and LHO is 1642 OR LHO has 2623. It is so not close in the second case that it is laughable. Both of those are very unlikely scenarios, 2623 is not. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted April 17, 2011 Report Share Posted April 17, 2011 By the way, whether or not the field is in 4S or not makes NO DIFFERENCE in how we play this hand. None at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted April 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2011 By the way, whether or not the field is in 4S or not makes NO DIFFERENCE in how we play this hand. None at all. True. I mentioned matchpoints twice to stop any possible comments about us having 9 obvious tricks, what's the problem... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted April 17, 2011 Report Share Posted April 17, 2011 True. I mentioned matchpoints twice to stop any possible comments about us having 9 obvious tricks, what's the problem... Yeah I know you know, I just get tilted because 99 % of people, forums or not, seem to think a reasonable analysis of any MP hand is "well, people will be in 4S, so we have to hope that spades are not 2-2 or they'll make, in which case we should ruff a heart first and cater to RHO having KQx xx xxx KQTxx!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quiddity Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 Obviously doesn't change the answer but I don't see how the diamond elimination gains when LHO has HT of clubs. In fact it seems to lose because you need the diamond entries to eliminate hearts before throwing LHO in with the second club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 I was East on this board, preempting style is no help here, 0-10, 4+ cards :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 Obviously doesn't change the answer but I don't see how the diamond elimination gains when LHO has HT of clubs. In fact it seems to lose because you need the diamond entries to eliminate hearts before throwing LHO in with the second club. I agree. Justin, haven't you put the 2632 with ♣HT on the wrong side? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatchett Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 When LHO has 2632 with HT of clubsRuffing a heart, cashing 3 rounds of diamonds, does not gain, becausewe can still effect the same elimination after playing a second ♠. Win say ♦ switch, ♥ ruff, ♦, ♥ ruff, ♣A, ♥ ruff, cash last ♦, duck ♣ when LHOplays the T. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 You guys are right of course, had a brain fart sorry. We still have the endplay even without eliminating stuff first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 You guys are right of course, had a brain fart sorry. We stillonly have the endplay even without eliminatingif we don't eliminate stuff first. FYP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 FYP Huh? If LHO has 2632 and HT of clubs and we ruff a heart, cash the diamonds, and play a spade, they cannot avoid the endplay. It is not necessary but it does not cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 Huh? If LHO has 2632 and HT of clubs and we ruff a heart, cash the diamonds, and play a spade, they cannot avoid the endplay. It is not necessary but it does not cost. One of us is having a massive blind spot. Past performance suggests that's likely to be me, but: They win the spade and play West's club honour. If you take it, ruff a heart, and duck a club to West, he just exits with fourth round of hearts, with North following suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 lol no it was me, I forgot there were hearts! Sorry for stupid posting, that's what I get for staying up all night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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