jillybean Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 Can someone tell me, are the "WBF Women's Festival" tournaments in any way associated with the "World Bridge Federation" or is the WBF "Women's BridgeFestival"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diana_eva Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 They are a WBF event: http://www.worldbridge.org/categories/women/Events/Online/Online11.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted April 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 Thanks. I'm surprised and disappointed to see the WBF running a game that bans psyches, undo's and forces a person who makes a misbid to advise their opponents, in private, of the mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 if i were a woman i would feel a trifle patronised for them to have a set of rules treating women akin to beginners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diana_eva Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 From the organizers: The Rules have been set by the WBF Womens Committee together with BBO Italia (who are responsible for organizing the event on BBO). When they made these rules they felt such a decision is more appropriate for the online environment and it would help create a friendly atmosphere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 I made a similar comment to jb's to the organisers last year. They said then that they would examine the rules for the future, so now it seems that this is really what they want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 From the organizers: The Rules have been set by the WBF Womens Committee together with BBO Italia (who are responsible for organizing the event on BBO). When they made these rules they felt such a decision is more appropriate for the online environment and it would help create a friendly atmosphere. As I recall, the Italian Bridge Federation bans pysches in face-2-face play... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincenzo Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 Yes, I confirm that Italian Bridge Federation bans psyches at bridge club tourneys. Main reason is to "protect" average players from experts. During national championships psyches are admitted. For condition of context of Women Club tourneys: http://www.wbfwomensbridgeclub.org/participation.html Rules & Regulations that I agree with WBF Womens Committee 3 years ago. Offcorse every thing can change, we can think to make next year the festival more "competitive" and less "friendly", but is this the right formula ? For sure it has not been this our intention 3 years ago Vincenzo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 Yes, I confirm that Italian Bridge Federation bans psyches at bridge club tourneys. Main reason is to "protect" average players from experts. During national championships psyches are admitted. This regulation directly conflicts with Law 40C1 and hence violates Law 80B2f, so it's illegal. That said, I'm sure the IBF doesn't give a damn about my opinion. <_< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 Why should ACBL be the only RA that flagrantly ignores the Laws? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerardo Posted April 16, 2011 Report Share Posted April 16, 2011 Still feels wrong to have to inform opponents when you misbid. Just the TD would be fairer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 if i were a woman i would feel a trifle patronised for them to have a set of rules treating women akin to beginners.If you were a woman, wouldn't you feel a trifle patronised by the existence of this event? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onoway Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 If you were a woman, wouldn't you feel a trifle patronised by the existence of this event?nope :) What I do wonder though, is why all the tourneys are short. The ACBL special events were 10 boards, these ones only 10 boards...all paid for events. Trying to get more events into the time available? Do more people play if the tourney is short? Trying to appeal to a different group of players? It would be interesting to know the rationale, since there are still free tourneys available, it would seem that at least some paid events should be matching them in terms of numbers of boards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 nope :) What I do wonder though, is why all the tourneys are short. The ACBL special events were 10 boards, these ones only 10 boards...all paid for events. Trying to get more events into the time available? Do more people play if the tourney is short? Trying to appeal to a different group of players? It would be interesting to know the rationale, since there are still free tourneys available, it would seem that at least some paid events should be matching them in terms of numbers of boards. Probably that more people play if it is short. Playing online is not like going out for an evening's duplicate; people's time commitment is much more variable. The relatively few boards would for the same reason result in fewer people dropping out. Anyway it seems to be a winning formula, otherwise why would people pay for tournaments when there are free ones available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 Long tournaments on BBO have never done well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 If you were a woman, wouldn't you feel a trifle patronised by the existence of this event?I suspect the logic is this: there are lots of women who play social bridge, but not duplicate, and they're trying to attract them. So they made the rules conservative to avoid putting them off. It's not that women, as a gender, need to be coddled, but that people not accustomed to tournament bridge would be more comfortable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 If you were a woman, wouldn't you feel a trifle patronised by the existence of this event?I don't. Presumably the existence of this event hints that the organizers think that some women for whatever reason would like occasinaly to try a woman-only event. There could be all kind of reasons for that. For example, sometimes I got so fed up with partners that asked me about my breast size after the event that I would be inclined to play a straight-women-and-gay-men-only tourney next time. But even if I drew the conclusion that the reason must be that the organizers think that gender profiling is an efficient way of identifying players who would like a low-level, nonserious, chatty and psyche-free environment, I still wouldn't patronized because:- There are billions of sexists out there. What else is new. Why would I be surprised, or care, if a few of them happen to organize online bridge?- If someone states that the average woman/Dane/Statistician/whatnot is a lousy bridge players with smelly socks, why should I take it personally? They didn't say that I am a bad bridge player with smelly socks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenMan Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 There could be all kind of reasons for that. For example, sometimes I got so fed up with partners that asked me about my breast size after the event that I would be inclined to play a straight-women-and-gay-men-only tourney next time. Would there be any point to reporting this kind of harassment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 There could be all kind of reasons for that. For example, sometimes I got so fed up with partners that asked me about my breast size after the event that I would be inclined to play a straight-women-and-gay-men-only tourney next time.What kinds of neanderthals attend your bridge tournaments? I can't imagine anyone making such comments in any venue these days, short of a pickup bar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diana_eva Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 What kinds of neanderthals attend your bridge tournaments? I can't imagine anyone making such comments in any venue these days, short of a pickup bar. Or an online website. Can't believe people don't realize how much sexist stuff and comments anyone with a vaguely female username is subjected to on the internet, without provoking it in ANY way, simply for being online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenMan Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 Can't believe people don't realize how much sexist stuff and comments anyone with a vaguely female username is subjected to on the internet, without provoking it in ANY way, simply for being online. I like to think I'm reasonably well aware of what goes on in the world, and these days I am constantly reminded of how little I know of this particular phenomenon. I suspect that, in large part, the average guy doesn't realize it because a) calling attention generally doesn't do any good and often just attracts more harassment, so b) lots of the objects of the abuse don't see any point in making it known, and it doesn't become visible to the wider public. Some of the people I pay attention to are becoming more assertive in making this sort of thing public (*cough* #gamergate *cough*), but I don't know how far the word is spreading yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diana_eva Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 I like to think I'm reasonably well aware of what goes on in the world, and these days I am constantly reminded of how little I know of this particular phenomenon. I suspect that, in large part, the average guy doesn't realize it because a) calling attention generally doesn't do any good and often just attracts more harassment, so b) lots of the objects of the abuse don't see any point in making it known, and it doesn't become visible to the wider public. Some of the people I pay attention to are becoming more assertive in making this sort of thing public (*cough* #gamergate *cough*), but I don't know how far the word is spreading yet. Yes, most women consider it part of "normality" and don't bother to report each and every "hi pretty how are you" - after all, it's just people complete strangers being friendly, right? Just like we can't call the police every time someone gives us the creepy stare on the street. What is there to report? Why is that guy eye***** me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMB1 Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 Can't believe people don't realize how much sexist stuff and comments anyone with a vaguely female username is subjected to on the internet, without provoking it in ANY way, simply for being online. When you don't see it, it is not easy to realise how much goes on. Keep reminding us! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uday Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 WBF routinely runs Women's events, occasionally online. Mixed, too, and they might have rules about which seats must be occupied by the women ( not sure about this one bec. it sounds a bit nutty. ACBL doesn't do this, tho it does run mixed events ). Harassment - another issue. Maybe I should make a fem-username for myself and treat myself to some "oh, really?" chatter. Is the harassment truly "normality"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diana_eva Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 Harassment - another issue. Maybe I should make a fem-username for myself and treat myself to some "oh, really?" chatter. Is the harassment truly "normality"? On BBO not as much as on other sites, but it exists. Yep, making a female username is one experience to be tried :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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