MrAce Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 What do you all play this in your pdship ? (2/1 gf with no exceptions style) 1M--2m2x--3NT ? Please feel free to suggest the subsequent auctions if it is something custom. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 Standard is 15-17 without primary support for either of openers suits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 Standard is 15-17 without primary support for either of openers suits.So, not fast arrival? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 After 2/1 GF response: 1x 2y 2N = 12-14 or 18-19 (18-19 will bid above 3N)1x 2y 3N = 15-171x 2y 2z 2N = 12-14 or 18-19 (18-19 will bid above 3N)1x 2y 2z 3N = 15-17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 So, not fast arrival? You could play 3N as weaker than 2N if you wanted but I wouldn't consider it standard. In one partnership I play 1x - 2y - 3N as a very 'pure' 12-14 with exactly a 5x - 2y - 3 - 3 and good stops in the sides. Other hands that don't fit this get thrown into the 2M or 2N junkpile. I suppose you could extend the same reasoning so 3N in 1x - 2y - 2z - 3N is something really specific like 5y - 3z - 2x - 3 and an exact range. But I've never heard of anyone doing this. You might be able to create some transfers or a switch here as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 So, not fast arrival?I think it is standard that fast arrival doesn't apply in NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 Shows a min 2/1 in my book (the one I haven't yet written lol). Stuff like 12-15 or so. With more you bid 2NT instead, which is basically a catch-all which asks opener "tell me more". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantumcat Posted April 13, 2011 Report Share Posted April 13, 2011 In one partnership I play 1x - 2y - 3N as a very 'pure' 12-14 with exactly a 5x - 2y - 3 - 3 and good stops in the sides. Other hands that don't fit this get thrown into the 2M or 2N junkpile.I think I have this implicit agreement with my partner too, except we never discussed it! Never thought about it till now, but if he did rebid 3NT, that is exactly the hand I would expect him to have. Speaking of this sort of thing, I had this hand:♠AKQxx♥xx♦JTx♣AQx and unfortunately in the seat I was in, 1NT was 10-12, so I couldn't open 1NT. After 1♠ partner bids 2♦. What do you think my rebid should be? I thought maybe 2NT, then perhaps if partner bids 3♥ I can bid 3NT and if he bids 3♣ I can bid 3♦, but then he might not delicately want to find out whether we have all the suits stopped, and with a balanced hand he might just bid 3NT. Luckily I had three diamonds so I bid 3♦ (he then bid 3NT and I passed - made 12 on bad defense), but what if I had had two diamonds and three (small) hearts? I guess it is just a matter of having some agreements on what we rebid with a 15-17 bal when 1NT would have been 10-12? What would you do? (2♠ for us shows an unbal hand - either 6+ spades or a second suit lower than partner's bid suit and no extras) Also I had another problem rebid with this hand a few weeks ago:♠AKQJxxx♥xxx♦-♣JxxAfter my 1♠ opening, partner bids 2♥. Splintering has the negatives that I should have better trumps and I'm hiding my spades, 2♠ has the negative that I'm hiding a lovely hand for hearts. I tried 3♥. Maybe this is worse than the other two! What do you think is the right rebid? (Or perhaps opening 4♠ to start with) We ended up in 4♥ and made 13 tricks on a diamond lead, pard had x/AKQxxx/Kxxx/xx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted April 13, 2011 Report Share Posted April 13, 2011 I play 1M-2m-2x-3NT as 15-17 with no support/values in both of opener's suit, but 1M-2x-2M(catch all)-3NT is three card support and choice of games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted April 13, 2011 Report Share Posted April 13, 2011 I do not accept that it is normal to jump with 15, seems pretty bad to me. Also having a 3 point range seems really bad. 16-17 is what I think is normal. If partner has 17 he can force beyond 3N safely, and 16 opp 15 doesn't sound like a slam, so I don't see what the point of jumping with 15 is. It feels like "15-17" just comes from being a 1N opening range, and is not actually a well thought out range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurpoa Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 What do you all play this in your pdship ? (2/1 gf with no exceptions style) 1M--2m2x--3NT ? Please feel free to suggest the subsequent auctions if it is something custom. Thanks Playing BWS2001, there is something called the "principle of slow arriving".So 3NT shows a hand without extras: 12-14(15) H, more or less regular hand, might be single in one of partner's suits.2NT would show a regular hand, with slam-ambitions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 nat. A direct 3NT would be 13-15 bal., so the delayed should show a 5 card suit. If responder is stronger, he should go via 4th suit. With kind regardsMarlowe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 In my partnership, this auction is very rare. 1M - 2m - step1 is artificial, but for the natural auctions 1S - 2C - 2H and 1H - 2m - 2S we simply play that 3NT is natural, minimum game force, not inviting partner to pull unless they have something very odd. We play 1M - 2m - 2M as showing 6, a jump to 3NT opposite that denies doubleton support. After, say, 1S - 2C - 2H I might bid 3NT with xx Jx KQ10x AQJxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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