Few Got to Slam

[TWO4BRIDGE]

How would you do it ?

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[mike777]

1s=2d

2s(6)=4c(splinter)

4h=5c

5h=5nt(gsf)

7s

 

 

I dont really think east is good enough for an exclusion 5c over 2s and it really complicates things at a high level.

[Cyberyeti]

Modified Acol framework, 2/1 not GF, the 2N bid followed by 3♠ is a better hand than an immediate 3♠

 

1♠- 2♦

2N(GF unbalanced) - 3♦(lowest sensible rebid)

3♠ - 5♣(exclusion)

5♦(0/3) - 5♥ (Q♠?)

6♥(yes and K♥)- 7♠

 

I think exclusion can be used on my sequence as W has already shown 7.5 playing tricks or more.

[Free]

I play exclusion 1430, it won't be pretty...

[whereagles]

This one is actually very easy. Just support hearts at the 3 level and follow-up with exclusion RKCB. You'll get to at least 6 and certainly to 7 if you make some sort of grand slam try after RKCB, e.g.

 

1♠ 2♥

3♥ 5♣

5♦ 5NT

7♥

 

5NT = king ask or any other GS attempt

7♥ = if pard is serious about his GT try, my solid suit should be enough...

 

It's even easier if you play that

 

1♠ 2♥

3♥

 

shows extras, as some do.

[Cyberyeti]

This one is actually very easy. Just support hearts at the 3 level and follow-up with exclusion RKCB. You'll get to at least 6 and certainly to 7 if you make some sort of grand slam try after RKCB, e.g.

 

1♠ 2♥

3♥ 5♣

5♦ 5NT

7♥

 

5NT = king ask or any other GS attempt

7♥ = if pard is serious about his GT try, my solid suit should be enough...

 

It's even easier if you play that

 

1♠ 2♥

3♥

 

shows extras, as some do.

Except that you're now in the wrong grand, 7♠ can survive ♥ Jxxx-x offside some of the time (like when the Q♦ falls in 3, or a lot more if they lead a club).

[whereagles]

you're so picky :)

[TWO4BRIDGE]

1s=2d

2s(6)=4c(splinter)

4h=5c

5h=5nt(gsf)

7s

 

 

I dont really think east is good enough for an exclusion 5c over 2s and it really complicates things at a high level.

At first I thought what an elegant solution for this hand.

Then I started thinking about athe 5NT Grand Slam Force bid.

As I recall ( and I rechecked some references ), 5NT asks to bid 7-trump with TWO of the top THREE trump honors.

 

That means Opener could have bid 7S holding:

K Q T 9 x x [ In other words OFF the trump ACE ! ! ]

A K x

x

A x x

 

It seems that the "asker" MUST hold ONE of the top 3 before asking ! !

 

However, there is another possibility that Opener could have only ONE of the three top trumps, in which case he would

bid 6S holding:

Q T 9 x x x [ In other words OFF the top 2 trumps ! ! ]

A K x

x

A K x

[mike777]

5nt does indeed force to slam.

 

But you can show one or two of the top three below 6s :)

 

See Bridge Encyclopedia but there are several methods.

 

with your one example I would just bid 4nt over 4c....not 4h..lets not go cuebid mad. :)

 

You do need to be able to handle the auction if pard has a void in clubs so be careful about all this cuebidding without trumps. If pard has a void in clubs she will not be able to rkc.

 

btw responder should not show the void after rkc since she will not know if it is useful.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

I Googled one of Eddie Kantar's posts. It had results of a bidding quiz.

For the hands that used the 5NT ( GSF ) -- and there weren't many of them -- each "asker" held ONE of the top 3 trump honors. [ie. None had zero ] .

[Zelandakh]

With 8 tricks the West hand is too strong for my 10-17 1S opening. Hence

 

1C = 15+ bal/nat or 18+ any

... - 2C = hearts and diamonds, GF

2D = relay, usually 18+

... - 2S = 5-5 or more

3H = agrees hearts

... - 3NT = serious slam interest without a spade control

4C = asks for club control

... - 4S = controls in both minors and side void

4N = which void?

... - 5C = clubs

5D = keycards?

... - 5S = 1 or 4

5N = HQ?

... - 6D = yes, and DK

7H

 

was my first try. Staying in the relay longer might be better but this approach seems the practical way to make sure we are not missing 2 cashing club tricks. Unfortunately, as CY says, this contract is not as good as 7S. An extra question to CY is what would West bid after 3D with a 5=1=3=4 hand? Presumably 3H would be natural and 4 of a minor seems precipitous; 3NT has wide open hearts and 3S must promise 6 for East to use Exclusion. Perhaps West is too strong to stop in 3NT though; I just found this interesting on a theoretical level.

[Fluffy]

I would do very similar to whereagles

 

1♠-2♥

3♥-5♣ (just void showing)

5NT-6♣ (ace ask, 1 ace)

6♦-7♦ (queen trump ask, yes with ♦K)

7♥

 

Also west is worth a 7♣ jump after 5♣, even if it is exclusion, as a suggestion to play in spades, but that thing is not very easy as it could also be taken as a suggestion for 7NT

[TWO4BRIDGE]

At first I thought what an elegant solution for this hand.

Then I started thinking about athe 5NT Grand Slam Force bid.

As I recall ( and I rechecked some references ), 5NT asks to bid 7-trump with TWO of the top THREE trump honors.

 

1)That means Opener could have bid 7S holding:

K Q T 9 x x [ In other words OFF the trump ACE ! ! ]

A K x

x

A x x

 

It seems that the "asker" MUST hold ONE of the top 3 before asking ! !

 

However, there is another possibility that Opener could have only ONE of the three top trumps, in which case he would bid 6S holding:

2)Q T 9 x x x [ In other words OFF the top 2 trumps ! ! ]

A K x

x

A K x

I think I have a solution for Mike's auction since Responder doesn't have one trump honor to make a 5NT! GST.

And that is to use the Josephine 5NT-Reply to the 5-of-trump asking bid ( named after Culbertson's wife ) .

 

Mike's auction up to 5H:

1S - 2D!

2S - 4C! ( splinter )

4H - 5C! ( void )

5H - 5S!, as long as this would NOT be interpretted as a sign-off ( which I'm not sure of in this auction ), then:

??

..pass = 0 or 1 of top 3 honors ( example #2 above )

.. 6S = 2 of the top 3 ( example # 1 above )

..5NT! = ( Josephine ) = all THREE ( as in the original problem )

 

Responder can then confidently bid 7S over the Josephine 5NT-reply.... ( confident at least that they are not off the TOP trump honor as they could be with the 5NT-"asking" bid ) .

[ahydra]

I'd bid this similar to Cyberyeti, Acol style weak no trump 4cM

 

1S-2D

3S-5C (exclusion)

5D (0 or 3)-5H (have you got SQ)

6H (yes and the HK)-7S (perfect!)

 

In any sensible Acol type system 3S will always show 6 spades, so 5C would feel like exclusion for spades to anyone you agreed to play exclusion with, even if you hadn't discussed specifically whether a jump rebid of a suit sets trumps.

 

ahydra

[Rossoneri]

I'd bid this similar to Cyberyeti, Acol style weak no trump 4cM

 

1S-2D

3S-5C (exclusion)

5D (0 or 3)-5H (have you got SQ)

6H (yes and the HK)-7S (perfect!)

 

In any sensible Acol type system 3S will always show 6 spades, so 5C would feel like exclusion for spades to anyone you agreed to play exclusion with, even if you hadn't discussed specifically whether a jump rebid of a suit sets trumps.

 

ahydra

 

I like this auction. Also with 6 diamonds and 5 hearts do most people bid 2H over 1S instead of 2D?!

[TWO4BRIDGE]

...... with 6 diamonds and 5 hearts do most people bid 2H over 1S instead of 2D?!

I was wondering the same.

I don't know how representative this is, but here are the results of that hand from the 20 tables:

2D .................... 9 tables

2H .................... 9 tables

1NT! ( forcing ).... 2 tables

 

7 tables got to slam on the following auctions:

 

1S - 2H, 4H - 6H

 

1S - 2D, 3S - 4NT, 5H( obviously not RKC) - 6S

 

1S - 2D( grandmaster ), 3S - 4C!( cheapest Ctrl cue), 4NT - 5D, 5S - 6S

 

1S - 2H, 3H - 4H, 4NT - 5D( 1/4 ), 5H - 6H

 

1S - 2H, 2S - 4S, 6S

 

1S - 2D, 3S - 4S, 4NT - 6S

 

1S - 2H, 3S - 4NT, 5S( 0/3 ) - 6S

[Finch]

I don't understand a 2H response on this hand. You have a big two-suiter and slam is possible in any of three strains. Why bid your Q109xx suit before your AKJxxx suit?

[JLOGIC]

I don't understand a 2H response on this hand. You have a big two-suiter and slam is possible in any of three strains. Why bid your Q109xx suit before your AKJxxx suit?

 

lol + 1 million. People seem to have a tough time bidding their longest suit first...but it's hard to imagine with 6 really good in 1 suit and 5 mediocre in another.