MrAce Posted April 10, 2011 Report Share Posted April 10, 2011 It doesn't. The endplay occurs if (a) partner throws ♥J, and (b) we don't cash ♥A. Oh ok, thats why i asked "You mean after we cash ♥A and not play a ♦" It didnt occur to me he wld discard ♥J though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted April 10, 2011 Report Share Posted April 10, 2011 Actually, if declarer has the ♣ 8, pd may not afford to discard a higher ♣. And i think it's priority is higher than the ♥ since we also have ♥ guards but only pd is in charge of ♣s If partner has a heart entry and he tells us about it, we won't need to keep either heart or club guards. Declarer won't have any small clubs left, because we will have take out ruff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted April 10, 2011 Report Share Posted April 10, 2011 If partner has a heart entry and he tells us about it, we won't need to keep either heart or club guards. Declarer won't have any small clubs left, because we will have take out ruff. And if pd has NO ♥ entry, he should tell about it also, and be clear when making this. No need for all these complex signalling. Look what u put on ♣2; "pd i want a ♣ but i also figured u have no ♣, so i actually expect you to understand that i understood you led your stiff and i don't actually want a ♣, i want ♦, not that i have anything in ♦, i just don't want you to lead under your AK of ♥. Although you would lead your stiff even if u held AKQ of ♥ i figured you dont hold it this time. So i have J83 in ♥" Discard ♥8 dammit!!! :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted April 10, 2011 Report Share Posted April 10, 2011 And if pd has NO ♥ entry, he should tell about it also, and be clear when making this. No need for all these complex signalling. Look what u put on ♣2; "pd i want a ♣ but i also figured u have no ♣, so i actually expect you to understand that i understood you led your stiff and i don't actually want a ♣, i want ♦, not that i have anything in ♦, i just don't want you to lead under your AK of ♥. Although you would lead your stiff even if u held AKQ of ♥ i figured you dont hold it this time. So i have J83 in ♥" No I didn't. This is what ♣2 means: "You're known to have led a singleton club. Therefore any club discard is suit preference. Diamonds are lower than hearts. Therefore ♣2 asks for a diamond rather than a heart." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted April 10, 2011 Report Share Posted April 10, 2011 No I didn't. This is what ♣2 means: "You're known to have led a singleton club. Therefore any club discard is suit preference. Diamonds are lower than hearts. Therefore ♣2 asks for a diamond rather than a heart." Or rather "You probably led a singleton club. Therefore..... And anyway if you did lead a doubleton club you know what to play next so it's hardly an problem." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted April 10, 2011 Report Share Posted April 10, 2011 Frances, can you please tell me what would ♥8 mean ? Instead of " i know u led your stiff, therefore...etc etc" Now having said that, i already replied to Andy, saying that what you two suggesting can be ideal and probably it is with in the luxury of solving it on the forum, eliminating the things that other posters already thought for us, and of course time. How realistic is this at the table ? - We have people here who disagreed that the opening lead is obvious singleton. (i am not one of them though) - We have people here who thought ♣2 shows the length of ♣ suit. - We have people here who thought ♣2 says "pd i locked up the ♣ suit. - We have people here who thought ♥8 was auto discard by partner in NANO second. - We have people here who thinks ♣2 is suit pref. Etc etc etc...My point is, as a reasonable player myself, i am already convinced what you and Andy suggesting is correct. What i disagree is that it is OBVIOUS for everyone. How many days has it been since we started to discuss this topic ? And as i listed above you can see it is FAR from being obvious to everyone. Now please tell me, if you were sitting North, would you put yourself or your partner to all this mind reading, or just play the ♥8 and save some energy and probably save the board by avoiding a possible misunderstanding ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted April 10, 2011 Report Share Posted April 10, 2011 On this board i never expect partner to discard the 8 of H since both QJ H are missing. Common sense dictate low H = AK. QJT show top of seq. High H no honors not even the T. A high in a side suit suggest a switch the Q and a low elsewhere should suggest the JH by elimination. Those who say partner is much likly to have QH than J of D are misguided since partner doesnt have QJ of heart so is the J of d more likely than Qxx and J for declarer ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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