dickiegera Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 Auction goes with no interference 1♠-2♣-3♣-3♥ Is 3♥ asking partner to bid NT if he has ♥ stoppedor is it telling partner that he has Hearts stopped [with possibly 4 in the suit?]and for you to bid /consider 3NT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcohio Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 I play this as looking for NT with doubt in diamonds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 Auction goes with no interference 1♠-2♣-3♣-3♥ Is 3♥ asking partner to bid NT if he has ♥ stoppedor is it telling partner that he has Hearts stopped [with possibly 4 in the suit?]and for you to bid /consider 3NT? Do you live on the East coast or the West coast? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 Where I live it's showing hearts, asking on diamonds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickiegera Posted March 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 Do you live on the East coast or the West coast? Ohio. Eastern USA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 Always showing unless it's the fourth suit or you have a special agreement. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 Auction goes with no interference 1♠-2♣-3♣-3♥ = ?? This starts out very similar to the 7D ("misunderstanding kickback" ) thread: 3♥ = either: a "cheapest" cue bid ( after all ♣ was supported ) or a 3NT probe ( showing ♥-stop ). If a cue bid, it denies a Diam-Ctrl;if a Ht-showing 3NT-probe, it denies a Diam-stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurpoa Posted March 26, 2011 Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 Auction goes with no interference 1♠-2♣-3♣-3♥ Is 3♥ asking partner to bid NT if he has ♥ stoppedor is it telling partner that he has Hearts stopped [with possibly 4 in the suit?]and for you to bid /consider 3NT? I would guess that 3♣ shows a good ♠ raise, or is is asking for a stop. If you bid ♥ now, it shows ♥ (normally a 5card) and a good hand (10H or more). It look like a light 1♠ opening or a light 2♣ overcall. In doubt I trust my partner. (later I can always blame him :)) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted March 26, 2011 Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 I would guess that 3♣ shows a good ♠ raise, or is is asking for a stop. If you bid ♥ now, it shows ♥ (normally a 5card) and a good hand (10H or more). It look like a light 1♠ opening or a light 2♣ overcall. In doubt I trust my partner. (later I can always blame him :)) Re-read the initial problem -- NO interference. The auction so far is:1S - 2C3C - 3H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted March 26, 2011 Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 IMO, the answer should be governed not so much by geography but more by cuebidding style. Consistency is key. If the cuebidding style is normal, then 3♥ should show. If the cuebidding is denial, the 3♥ call should ask. That way, when a call like this serves two possible purposes, the two purposes are closer in type and less likely to result in schizophrenic bidding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tolvyrj Posted March 26, 2011 Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 IMO 3♥promises someting in ♥, not necessarily genuine suit HHx is enough, it shows a) im not willing to play ♠contract unless u have extra length b) my strength is in ♣and in ♥ c) i cant bid 3Nt for some reason or another and d) my bid is GF so bid something that helps me to know what to do im not going to pass under game.Sure 3♥ may very well be 5 cards long in which case ♣ r 6+ cards long; but if that is the case it will be shown next round :rolleyes: . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurpoa Posted March 27, 2011 Report Share Posted March 27, 2011 Auction goes with no interference 1♠-2♣-3♣-3♥ Is 3♥ asking partner to bid NT if he has ♥ stoppedor is it telling partner that he has Hearts stopped [with possibly 4 in the suit?]and for you to bid /consider 3NT? 3♥ = 4 card, GF, and partner may bid 4♥ if he has 4. My Meta-rule: if a bid can be natural, it is. This interpretation is part of BWS2001. But again, it is the kind of bid that you should have discussed with partner, and without agreement, it is natural. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 Partner has ♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 Telling and denies a diamond stopper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurpoa Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 Telling and denies a diamond stopper. Yes, that is a good remark ! With a ♦ stopper and ♥, it looks better to bid NT....else partner has problems if he doesn't have a ♦stopper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryallen Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 Auction goes with no interference 1♠-2♣-3♣-3♥ Is 3♥ asking partner to bid NT if he has ♥ stoppedor is it telling partner that he has Hearts stopped [with possibly 4 in the suit?]and for you to bid /consider 3NT? After the sequence 1♠-2♣3♣ Any further move is looking for game. It's easy enough to show a stop, but how do you show a partial? If you use the bid of any of the two remaining suits to ask for a partial stop in that suit, or show a stop in that suit, confirming a stopper in the other suit, would that not be better? You will obviously need allowance to define whether the response was based upon a partial or actual stop, but that should be no issue You can also use other sequences to show 2 card ♠ support, ♠ game with initial cue (thus redefine the partial ask) and the possibility of stopping short of game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted April 1, 2011 Report Share Posted April 1, 2011 I have a question to those, who plays this as "telling and denying ♦ control or stopper" For which contract is 3 ♥ denying ♦ control/stopper? Lets say i have stiff ♦, this is hell of a control on 5♣ but not for 3 NT. I think priority here, for cues at 3 level should be for the best game seeking, thus 3NT searching. But further developments in bidding (like lifting pd's 3NT to 4♣ after our 3♥) should override the first meaning of our 3♥ (or 3♦ bid in another hand) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveNick Posted April 3, 2011 Report Share Posted April 3, 2011 If it was me, I'd assume that my partner was saying, "I have hearts, bid 3 NT if possible." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 3, 2011 Report Share Posted April 3, 2011 Initially its just a good stopper looking for 3N. But if I pull partners 3N it shows a control with slam ambitions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted April 3, 2011 Report Share Posted April 3, 2011 3♥ = 4 card, GF, and partner may bid 4♥ if he has 4. My Meta-rule: if a bid can be natural, it is. This interpretation is part of BWS2001. But again, it is the kind of bid that you should have discussed with partner, and without agreement, it is natural. Totally illogical for it to have to show 4H. This shows a H stopper, that's all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantumcat Posted April 3, 2011 Report Share Posted April 3, 2011 My Meta-rule: if a bid can be natural, it is. This interpretation is part of BWS2001. But again, it is the kind of bid that you should have discussed with partner, and without agreement, it is natural. Partner won't have four hearts, or he would have responded 2♥ not 3♣. Anyway, I have an agreement suggestion that covers all possible situations: If there are two suits to be worried about, we SHOW.If there are three suits we are worried about, we ASK. This is because, if there are three suits and we show, partner doesn't know which one of the other suits he needs to have to bid 3NT. So asking is best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yu18772 Posted April 4, 2011 Report Share Posted April 4, 2011 Auction goes with no interference 1♠-2♣-3♣-3♥ Is 3♥ asking partner to bid NT if he has ♥ stoppedor is it telling partner that he has Hearts stopped [with possibly 4 in the suit?]and for you to bid /consider 3NT? I play simple - if we are below 3NT we are looking for the right game....3rd suit shows 4th denies. So 3♥ means I have hearts, but no intention to play NT if p doesn't have a good ♦ stopper. This doesn't mean that I won't bid after his response looking for slam, but I want to know more about his ♦ holding. ( I also play that 1♠-2♣-3♣-4NT is min-max and not RKCB).If I am absolutely sure that I am looking for slam in ♣ , I would bid 4♣ on 3, to set suit and ask for cues. I can still cue it if partner bids 4♣ now, denying a stopper in ♦. If 2♣ wasn't an absolute GF, 4♣ may be passed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted April 4, 2011 Report Share Posted April 4, 2011 Partner won't have four hearts, or he would have responded 2♥ not 3♣. Anyway, I have an agreement suggestion that covers all possible situations: If there are two suits to be worried about, we SHOW.If there are three suits we are worried about, we ASK. This is because, if there are three suits and we show, partner doesn't know which one of the other suits he needs to have to bid 3NT. So asking is best. How does this work? How does partner know if you are worried about 2 or 3 suits ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted April 4, 2011 Report Share Posted April 4, 2011 Partner won't have four hearts, or he would have responded 2♥ not 3♣. Anyway, I have an agreement suggestion that covers all possible situations: If there are two suits to be worried about, we SHOW.If there are three suits we are worried about, we ASK. This is because, if there are three suits and we show, partner doesn't know which one of the other suits he needs to have to bid 3NT. So asking is best. So when opps have 2 suits bid, and your side has bid one suit, does that mean u still have 3 suits to worry about (2 opps suit + 1 unbid suit) ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantumcat Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 When the opps have bid two suits, that is two suits we are worried about. Not much point being afraid of the unbid suit, if opps have a fit in two suits they can hardly have much attacking power left in the unbid one.If the opps have not bid, and we have only bid one, there are three. If the opps have not bid and we have bid two, there are the other two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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