dcohio Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=s5ha32dqj43ck6543&d=e&v=b&b=10&a=pp1s2h2s]133|200[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 I play 2NT here as INV with 3+♥. Normally 2NT shows 4+ cards support, but if we lack a cuebid below our 3-level raise we put the 3-card limit raises in there as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcohio Posted March 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 That's a good treatment, I think I'll add that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 Well, if I didn't have 2N available I'd probably try 4♥ and hope for the best. 3♣ is interesting since it has to be fit-showing in some way, but how much fit? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 4H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurpoa Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=s5ha32dqj43ck6543&d=e&v=b&b=10&a=pp1s2h2s]133|200[/hv] 3♥ They might have (probly they have) 4♠, let them find it, we do not have 4♥ (unlikely) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcohio Posted March 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 3♥ They might have (probly they have) 4♠, let them find it, we do not have 4♥ (unlikely) I'm not certain of either of those statements. With the stiff spade, partner doesn't need much to make 4H. My problem here was 3H was a straight shut out competitive sounding bid. If partners points are all working he only really needs 12 or so to make game here. Given that he made a vulnerable 2 level overcall after a 3rd seat opener, this could very well be our hand. At the table I wimped out and bid 3H, passed out, making 4 opposite xxx, KJxxx, Ax, Axx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 3♥ They might have (probly they have) 4♠, let them find it, we do not have 4♥ (unlikely)Partner's overcall is questionable at best, and we are still making game. 3♥ is definitely not enough, and they are definitely not making 4♠ lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 I hate everything except 4♥, but I hate 3♣ the most, even if it were fit-showing. Are we really trying to show our great club suit while implying a lack of diamond values? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 Three ♣, fit non-jump by passed hand. I would like to have the Jack of clubs instead of one of the low spots. If I was an unpassed hand, this would not be available and I would bid 2NT, showing heart support and "limit or better". I could bid 2NT here as well, but showing the five clubs seems better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 2NT bandwagon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurpoa Posted March 26, 2011 Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 Partner's overcall is questionable at best, and we are still making game. 3♥ is definitely not enough, and they are definitely not making 4♠ lol right you are.... yes 4♥ is our bid..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurpoa Posted March 26, 2011 Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 I'm not certain of either of those statements. With the stiff spade, partner doesn't need much to make 4H. My problem here was 3H was a straight shut out competitive sounding bid. If partners points are all working he only really needs 12 or so to make game here. Given that he made a vulnerable 2 level overcall after a 3rd seat opener, this could very well be our hand. At the table I wimped out and bid 3H, passed out, making 4 opposite xxx, KJxxx, Ax, Axx Right you are. 4♥ of 3♠ depending on methods you agreed with partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted March 26, 2011 Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 As a passed hand, I would like to inform pard that my raise to game has some nice cards, rather than just a bunch of hearts. 3S was not given as a choice; but I would choose it. 2NT might be freed up here for a lot of minor suit cards rather than a heart raise by a passed hand. Responsive double would imply tolerance for hearts. The trade-off is being unable to show the exact (3 vs 4) number of hearts in support. Can live with that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted March 26, 2011 Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 I would also bid 3S showing a high card raise to 4H. I want to be in a forcing pass over 4S and partner won't get too excited opposite a passed hand. Failing that, 4H and then double 4S. I don't like a club fit bid because partner will misjudge too often - he'll think Axx KQxxxx x Axx is a seriously good hand, and he'll think Axx KQxxxx A10x x is much worse, while it's the second of these that gives the 6-level (some) play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryallen Posted March 27, 2011 Report Share Posted March 27, 2011 As a passed hand, I would like to inform pard that my raise to game has some nice cards, rather than just a bunch of hearts. 3S was not given as a choice; but I would choose it. 2NT might be freed up here for a lot of minor suit cards rather than a heart raise by a passed hand. Responsive double would imply tolerance for hearts. The trade-off is being unable to show the exact (3 vs 4) number of hearts in support. Can live with that. That makes a lot of sense. There's no guarantee 4♥ will make, but at least your work is done and you do not have any further difficult decision to make. I like the 2NT bid, but does it really get across your hand here? At the end of the day it appears a punt, with 3♠ giving partner all the information he should need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted March 27, 2011 Report Share Posted March 27, 2011 We might be on for slam also, LHO is third seat. I think this is just a normal 3S bid. Not forcing to game opposite a vul 2 level overcall is a pretty amazing thought to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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