EricK Posted September 9, 2004 Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 RoflBest post I have read in years Richard.Sorry Jimmy but Richard is totally correct here. Balancing on KTxxx and out is indescribably bad. Indeed. Balancing after 1x (P) P is completely different from balancing after 2x (P) P. In the former case, you know that opener's partner is very weak, and can usually deduce that your partner has some points. In the latter case, opener's partner could have a strong misfitting hand, so there are no guarantees that partner has anything. Of course, this is also why second hand should have bid 2NT on his strong hand. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted September 9, 2004 Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 You all seem to be forgetting the starting post: Partner has no 6card suit, and has no Maximum hand with 5, so he is ultra weak, we all know it, so he is able to judge if his hand is a maximum or a minimum given his poor range. You may not agree with this reopenings (I don´t), but they aren´t because partner is wild, they are because we are morons unnable to bid 2NT, but to pass i norder to collect penalties, so it is our fault if partner gets catched later reopening: we made the first mistake here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted September 9, 2004 Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 Fluffy, you I and the dog at the gate would have bid over the opening. However I really think you are doing Jimmy a big disservice to suggest that his balance is even remotely sensible. It isn't and everyone knows it. By suggesting balancer may be ultra weak eg Kxxxx and out, you are really encouraging him to make extremely poor bids. I don't know if I could continue a partnership with anyone who thought this balance was ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted September 9, 2004 Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 You have to draw a line somewhere. The famous mathematician Emile Borel had some studies on balancing after openings at level 1. If he was still around he could sort out whether KTxxx x xxx xxxx is statistically acceptable for a 2S bid. (I suspect not, LOL.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted September 9, 2004 Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 lightnen up a bit guys... evidently the smiley face and use of the word 'robust' and the reference to the 10 in the hand was insufficiently sarcastic.. the rest of the post was to show that an invitation via 3h wasn't the worst thing in the world.. everyone is assuming that partner won't balance unless the 2 hands can make 4S (or 3nt)... all i tried to say was, that isn't necessarily true.. and yes, i'd have bid over the 2h opening also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted September 9, 2004 Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 Bloody hell Jimmy. I think 3H is a slam try!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted September 9, 2004 Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 Bloody hell Jimmy. I think 3H is a slam try!! hahahaha... and it just might be, which is why if you go back to my original post i said i'd *like* to bid it, but wouldn't... too many different ways to take it unless discussed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted September 9, 2004 Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 I used to bid with such weak hands, but I'm trying to learn not to! I've had some nice experiences with them: they open weak two, everyone passes and I bid, as it turns out my RHO has an almost GF hand! BANG, doubled down a lot for a bad score... I've experimented with the borders of light bidding and preempting, and now I'm going back to just a little more solid :blink: I said "a little" ;) But if your partner always bids with such weak hands, as Richard says, your opps will start to know your style and you'll get hit heavily since they know you'll end up in a doubled contract. I know this is true, since I also use it against some of my opps B) 1NT(11-14)-pass-pass-? and they usually bid, even when V vs NV. Then I come back with my penalty Dbl and 16 HCP ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted September 9, 2004 Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 Interesting you mention you're going solid now... I also used to open weak twos on junk like JTxxxxxxxxxxx or even less(!!!). Now I'm more "conservative". The bottom line for me is KQTxxxxxxxxxx :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skorchev Posted September 9, 2004 Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 Hi Poky, I interested what mean these bids (2NT, 3♣,3♦,3♥,3♠) by your system. Hi! 2NT = natural, invitational to 3NT3m = probably to play (not agreed)3♥ = spade raise, better than 3♠3♠ = spade raise, invitational in this sequence ("bid game with max")3NT = natural, to play OK, ty Poky, Then when I have no toy to understand whether my partner has a stopper ♣ I will jump to 4♠. But I'm 90% sure that 3NT is better game than 4♠. Stefan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poky Posted September 9, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 I had... ♠J98xxx♥Kx♦x♣Qxxx Should I have:a ) Opened a weak-2?b ) Pass 2♥ in balancing seat?c ) Balance with Dbl? My p bid 4♠ directly (after long hestitation) and I was doubled for -1 (careful play needed not to go -2 when ♠Q holds the trick). It was a bottom score. Lefty had 0454, almost a 2♥ opener, he he. P.S. For Stefan. Nope, 4♠ was much better game than 3NT in this case. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted September 9, 2004 Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 I had... ♠J98xxx♥Kx♦x♣Qxxx Should I have:a ) Opened a weak-2?b ) Pass 2♥ in balancing seat?c ) Balance with Dbl? My p bid 4♠ directly (after long hestitation) and I was doubled for -1 (careful play needed not to go -2 when ♠Q holds the trick). It was a bottom score. Lefty had 0454, almost a 2♥ opener, he he. P.S. For Stefan. Nope, 4♠ was much better game than 3NT in this case. :) a) depends on style. For me: definitely, I love 6-4 shape! :D perhaps, your king is probably useless (turns out not to be, but you didn't know that). Opening 2S avoids this problem. c) NO!!! So imo no really bad calls by you. You seem to have a bad fit with partner, but game had some chances. The worst call imo was first pass by partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skorchev Posted September 9, 2004 Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 Should I have:a ) Opened a weak-2?b ) Pass 2♥ in balancing seat?c ) Balance with Dbl? a.) NO! - I don't like opening weak 2s with 6-4 (esp. in 1st and 2nd position) and the hand isn't offensiveb.) NO! - Should try to get the scorec.) NO! - Just NOOO! Stefan P.S. for Poky. In this situation I say just "No luck" and continue with the next game. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted September 9, 2004 Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 Yai! I guessed it, If I Wasn´t told that you open 2♠ light nor than you tend to open I would had bid 4 liek everyone else actually :D, so at the table I woudl had bid 4 like everyone elses to be real. Blame your partner, but not for bidding 4, but for passign 2♥: 2♥-2NT-p-3♥p-3♠-p-pp Looks like a nice auction to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted September 10, 2004 Report Share Posted September 10, 2004 1. I would open that a weak two. There, now they can't even double you LOL. 2. Not sure I'd have balanced this one with the heart Kx dying, but I sure would bid FOUR if pard overcalls 2NT ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted September 10, 2004 Report Share Posted September 10, 2004 I don't know anymore who said it, but seems like the guy only had 1 ♥, not 2 or more ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted September 10, 2004 Report Share Posted September 10, 2004 I don't know either, but seems you're going down with him in 4S ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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