Poky Posted September 7, 2004 Report Share Posted September 7, 2004 MP. All love. ♠AQx♥AQxxx♦KQx♣xx pass* - 2♥** - pass - pass2♠ - pass - ??? * You are playing standard weak-2, sometimes with 5 cards (if good 5431 hand)** Hearts+minor, weak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 3S.. i'd like to bid 3H but i'm not sure it would be universally (or even by the majority) understood as anything other than a nt try... 4S might be too unilateral, same for 3nt... oh well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 5 loser hand. Support for partner. Ruffing values...I'm bidding 4S. This should play very well, even opposite the expected heart void... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 Bidding game of course! Give up on slam and bid a simple 4S. Why did I pass on the first round? Was I called to the phone and the drink waiter held my cards? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 2NT, on the first round that is. A similar hand was posted not too long ago. Passing works out well once in a while, but 2NT is much better on average imo. Now I agree with 4S. It seems almost impossible that partner has chances for 6 (besides, it's too late to describe my hand anyway), while even the worst hand should have a shot at game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skorchev Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 Hi Poky, I interested what mean these bids (2NT, 3♣,3♦,3♥,3♠) by your system. BTW I don't like East's pass too, but however ... Stefan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 I think he was hoping to get a penalty Dbl... Now when you don't get one, bid game: 4♠. If you REALLY want to bid safely, bid 3♥ as invitation or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 Pard has 5134 or 5143 and passed due to poor spades. Still, I'm bidding 4S, which should have a good chance to make on a cross-ruff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 I don't think you'll get your crossruff that easy whereagles, if your partner has nothing in ♣s, then you might nog even have a trump left in dummy to ruff his 3rd ♣. There's also a danger when partner has too many ♥s that they might start with some ruffing and crossing (♥, ♣, ♥, ♣,...), and because of this it might (just might) be better to invite to 4♠. Still not my choice, but also acceptable imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 Pard is likely to have a heart singleton: LHO passed the 2H opening, so he probably has two hearts. In which case pard will be ruffing hearts over LHO. Still, whether to invite or bid game is perhaps a matter of style (yours and pard's, lol). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 Woops, didn't see 2♥ was ♥+m. Then he should indeed have 2-3 ♥s, and with a very small chance only 1... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 Partner has passed so 4♠, what else ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poky Posted September 8, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 Hi Poky, I interested what mean these bids (2NT, 3♣,3♦,3♥,3♠) by your system. Hi! 2NT = natural, invitational to 3NT3m = probably to play (not agreed)3♥ = spade raise, better than 3♠3♠ = spade raise, invitational in this sequence ("bid game with max")3NT = natural, to play Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 Partner knows we are morons in look for penalties passing, but poor him didn´t want to reopen doubling... guess why? he knows exactly what is going on, bidding 4♠ is IMO punishing partner for a good apreciation of the situation, he is probably very weak. Give him a chance to stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 He can't be much weaker than KTxxxxAxxxxxx and this offers reasonable play for 4S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 He can't be much weaker than KTxxxxAxxxxxx and this offers reasonable play for 4S. i don't think that's abundantly clear... i passed hoping for xx with a 17 count... weak 2 opener can easily have 9, 10 hcp... his partner can also easily have 12, 13 count.. it's *very* possible my pard has a queen period... i agree with fluffy, which is why i said 4S or 3nt might be a tad unilateral... 3H seems the best bid, if it isn't understood as nt look... it should say you have support and would like to go higher than 3S, but you aren't sure of his hand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 Partner knows we are morons in look for penalties passing, but poor him didn´t want to reopen doubling... guess why? he knows exactly what is going on, bidding 4♠ is IMO punishing partner for a good apreciation of the situation, he is probably very weak. Give him a chance to stop. Agree with you but I assume that partner is not able to judge himself because there are a lot of weak hands that lead to game, so I just bid it ! :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 Luke: If pard has KTxxxxxxxxxxx don't you think he might have passed 2H for a possible +150, instead of trying for +110, which runs the risk of hearing pard bid 4S and go -50? In the auctionp 2H p p2S p 3H p??unless in your style KTxxx x Axx xxxx is a clear-cut 4S reply to the 3H cue, an immediate 4S is perhaps better than the cue. But then again, as I said, to invite or just bid 4S is a matter of style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 Someone wants to stop in 3??????????????KxxxxxxAxxxxx Gives him a great play for 6. Unless your partners protect on Kxxxx and out, this is a 4S bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulhar Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 If you REALLY want to bid safely, bid 3♥ as invitation or so. And would anyone pass 3S if partner bid it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 If you REALLY want to bid safely, bid 3♥ as invitation or so. And would anyone pass 3S if partner bid it? Yes, otherwise it's no use to bid 3♥ anyway, unless you have slam ambition... About all these possible hands of partner, I would open with Kxxxx-x-Axx-xxxx, so partner is weaker, but he needs a decent ♠ suit. I still really wonder why he didn't Dbl with his singleton/void in ♥!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poky Posted September 8, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 I still really wonder why he didn't Dbl with his singleton/void in ♥!!! Maybe 'cause he didn't have it! :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted September 9, 2004 Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 Luke: If pard has KTxxxxxxxxxxx don't you think he might have passed 2H for a possible +150, instead of trying for +110, which runs the risk of hearing pard bid 4S and go -50? In the auctionp 2H p p2S p 3H p??unless in your style KTxxx x Axx xxxx is a clear-cut 4S reply to the 3H cue, an immediate 4S is perhaps better than the cue. But then again, as I said, to invite or just bid 4S is a matter of style. i can't imagine partner passing that robust 3 count, especially with that 10 :blink: your post actually proves what i (and fluffy) said... by bidding 3h instead of 4s (or 3nt) partner can sign off in 3s to show this... with the other hypothetical ron posted, i think pard should bid 4s with that nice 3 control hand and to answer paul, i'd pass 3s if that was his bid... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted September 9, 2004 Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 Luke: If pard has KTxxxxxxxxxxx don't you think he might have passed 2H for a possible +150, instead of trying for +110, which runs the risk of hearing pard bid 4S and go -50? In the auctionp 2H p p2S p 3H p??unless in your style KTxxx x Axx xxxx is a clear-cut 4S reply to the 3H cue, an immediate 4S is perhaps better than the cue. But then again, as I said, to invite or just bid 4S is a matter of style. i can't imagine partner passing that robust 3 count, especially with that 10 :blink: your post actually proves what i (and fluffy) said... by bidding 3h instead of 4s (or 3nt) partner can sign off in 3s to show this... with the other hypothetical ron posted, i think pard should bid 4s with that nice 3 control hand and to answer paul, i'd pass 3s if that was his bid... Two significant points: 1. If you're balancing with a hand like KTxxxxxxxxxxx then competent opponents are going to rip you a new arsehole. As soon as folks understand your bidding style, they're goinng to start trap passing and then doubling when you balance. 2. Advancer has an insanely strong hand. The hand is so strong that passing the 2♥ opening is verges on the criminal. Despite this, you think that partner should only invite... While this is logically consistent with your (flawed) beliefs about balancing, its not efficient use of the bidding space. Advancer's range for inviting game will become so large that the balancer won't be able to make an informed decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted September 9, 2004 Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 "rip you a new arsehole". RoflBest post I have read in years Richard.Sorry Jimmy but Richard is totally correct here. Balancing on KTxxx and out is indescribably bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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