jillybean Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 MP V vs. N (P) P (1♦) ? Q987, KJ, J2, AQT65 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 I can live with 2c or pass at this vul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 Yes, easy. 2♣. This highly obstructive overcall should be made as often as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 No thanks. This would be a minimum overcall for me if not vul, i.e. I would pass without the ♣10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 Partner is a passed hand so we are unlikely to have game. If partner was unpassed I would still pass but feel less good about it. Nonvul I would bid, though, regardless of position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 Totally agree with Nuno here. 2C it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurpoa Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 MP V vs. N (P) P (1♦) ? Q987, KJ, J2, AQT65 I would bid 2♣. If I give points: 2♣= 90% pass=10%Just to say, that If my P would pass, I would not blame him, but I am an easy balancer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 2♣ at MP, as for Sabine's rule. 2♣ creates problems for the opps. Obvious pass at IMPs though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted March 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 Like many, I bid 2♣ [hv=pc=n&s=sq987hkjdj2caqt65&w=sa2ht85dt3ckj9872&n=st654ha643dq64c43&e=skj3hq972dak9875c&d=w&v=n&b=12&a=pp1d2cppdppp]399|300[/hv] X-3 for -800 This was an automatic overcall for me however my partner has warned me of these hands before and says he would rather I overcall1♠ here. Others say you need a 6th ♣ to make the 2♣ call. Gerben, I shouldn't be asking but what is "Sabine's rule"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 I don't think the spade suit is good enough to overcall with only four cards. 2♦ (top and bottom cue bid, a là Hardy) gets you to 2♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mbodell Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 Gerben, I shouldn't be asking but what is "Sabine's rule"? Get and read "I love this game" by Sabine. She talks about how 2♣ over 1♦ and 2♦ over 1♣ should be bid as often as possible because it is hard for opponents to sort out the majors. I'd also bid 2♣ automatic at MP with your hand. I probably wouldn't anymore at teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 I don't have a strong preference for 2♣ or Pass, but 1♠ is out of the question for me. The suit quality is poor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tolvyrj Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 Theres a convention invented for these type of hands by polish i guess; its called the Raptor. After one level opening u bid 1Nt which tells just this type of hand, one four card major and 5 card minor.Its designed to help in situations just like this, no T/O dbl possibility and if u bid u minor in 2 level u 4 card major will bite the dust.They say its more useful in long run to use 1Nt as Raptor than a bid that tells 15-18 bal. hand. Is it, i dont know, but i know its pretty popular convention at least among tournament players in Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 The point of bidding 2♣ is to preempt opps. I haven't played Raptor (although something similar) but bidding a Raptor (pretty much forcing) 1NT isn't as preemptive as a NF 2♣. The hand is rubbish, so I'd rather bid 2♣ than 1NT Raptor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 sign me up for -800. too bad CHO has two clubs and not one, he could have redoubled. like this it doesn't seem normal but maybe he gets a read on a confident pass? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 2C. Unless you play Polish NT / Raptor, the convention was made for this kind of hand. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted March 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 sign me up for -800. too bad CHO has two clubs and not one, he could have redoubled. like this it doesn't seem normal but maybe he gets a read on a confident pass?Yes, we talked about that but thought it wasn't automatic. There's definately 2 camps here, those that would and those that wouldn't and I'm not sure where I sit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tolvyrj Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 U can sign me up to -800 camp too, no way im going to pass with this hand in MP`s. Ok they hammered me down -800, but im not alone u see, most of the field r in the same mess, so i havent lost anyzing ( well not much).This is a horror film case what can happen if u take action here, most likely u get a bad result if u dont take the action here. Lets see; u pass - LHO bid 1Nt - prd pass- RHO bids 2♦and now? Do u take action now, or become the legendary 2♦guys; those who let oppos play 2♦when all others where from +110 to +170 in they own game :rolleyes: Thats MP´s; u bid like others do, not as u shld do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Oh well, -800, next board. And yes, do get "I love this game". I would send you mine but it's signed :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 Its an automatic pass at any form of scoring or vulnerability, you guys are really sick. 2♣ shows 6 card suit and we have 5, we would need a lot of extras to bid with just 5. Please jilly, learn from this wonderful -800 instead of feeling in good company and repeating it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachy Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 1!D (2!C) is one of the most difficult auctions for opponents to handle. Therefore, 2C should be bid whenever it is remotely a possibility. Here, it is clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachy Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 Like many, I bid 2♣ [hv=pc=n&s=sq987hkjdj2caqt65&w=sa2ht85dt3ckj9872&n=st654ha643dq64c43&e=skj3hq972dak9875c&d=w&v=n&b=12&a=pp1d2cppdppp]399|300[/hv] X-3 for -800 This was an automatic overcall for me however my partner has warned me of these hands before and says he would rather I overcall1♠ here. Others say you need a 6th ♣ to make the 2♣ call. Gerben, I shouldn't be asking but what is "Sabine's rule"? You hit the one layout where you got burned. 9 out of 10 (my estimation from experience, on both sides of the auction) creates a problem for the opponents, so keep doing it. If you start guessing when to do it and when not to, you are left at the mercy of guesses. IMPs, a little more conservative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 dbl post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 Its an automatic pass at any form of scoring or vulnerability, you guys are really sick. 2♣ shows 6 card suit and we have 5, we would need a lot of extras to bid with just 5. Please jilly, learn from this wonderful -800 instead of feeling in good company and repeating it. huh....? ye neocon :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 26, 2011 Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 huh....? ye neocon :P Agree with Nuno. This is an automatic 2C. You are getting too old now Fluffy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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