One Short Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 Dealer opens weak 2♥Partner Bids 2NTDealer Bids 2♠DIRECTOR! The Director speaks to the insufficient bidder away from the table and decides there is no Law 25 remedy.The IB confirms that intention was to show a strong hand with a strong suit and that should have been done by a bid of 3♠ Is there now a bid which does not silence partner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
campboy Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 Dealer opens weak 2♥Partner Bids 2NTDealer Bids 2♠DIRECTOR! The Director speaks to the insufficient bidder away from the table and decides there is no Law 25 remedy.The IB confirms that intention was to show a strong hand with a strong suit and that should have been done by a bid of 3♠ Is there now a bid which does not silence partner?If the TD believes that 2♠ means "good hand good suit" and so does 3♠ then 3♠ does not silence partner as it has "the same meaning or a more precise meaning". Law 27B1b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluejak Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 Surely neither 2♠ nor 3♠ is artificial? In that case 3♠ does not silence partner whatever the strength shown [Law 27B1A]. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 Surely neither 2♠ nor 3♠ is artificial? In that case 3♠ does not silence partner whatever the strength shown [Law 27B1A].I think you've misinterpreted the auction. I believe dealer and partner are on the same side (allegedly) and 2NT is Ogust or some such relay. So 3♠ is artificial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluejak Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 You are right. I do much prefer diagrams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mbodell Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 If the TD believes that 2♠ means "good hand good suit" and so does 3♠ then 3♠ does not silence partner as it has "the same meaning or a more precise meaning". Law 27B1b. I agree. If 2nt-2♥(transfer) has the same or more precise meaning as 2nt-3♥(transfer) I don't see why 2♥-2nt-2♠(good-good) and 2♥-2nt-3♠(good-good) can't have the same meaning in the same way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 It sounds as if the player just had the fleeting idea that 2♠ was sufficient. This case seems simple enough. Of course, all cases will be simple in the next version of the Laws, which will no doubt read Any sufficient bid is more precise in meaning than any insufficient bid, because the meaning of all insufficient bids is "no agreement, as it is illegal". Therefore all sufficient bids, if not accepted, can be replaced by any legal call without penalty. The version after that will probably allow the auction to proceed in either direction, and in any order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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