yaohung Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 [hv=pc=n&n=sat75h5dakjt83c82&d=n&v=0&b=1&a=1dp1sp]133|200[/hv] Please select your call in the poll. welcome any opinion for your call. IMP The below is from SAYC for your reference. OPENER'S REBIDS: With a minimum hand opener may: Rebid NT at the cheapest levelRaise responder's suit at the cheapest level. four-card support for a major suit is desirable, but not mandatory.Show a second suit, four cards or longer, lower ranking than the first.Rebid the original suit at the cheapest level possible. This is rarely done with less than 6 cards in the suit. With a medium opener (good 16 to 18 points), opener may: Jump raise partner's suit or jump rebid his own suit.Reverse in a new, higher-ranking suit (if the first suit is longer than the second)Show a new suit without reversing (note the wide range of 13-18 points for this action).With a maximum opener (19-21 points), opener will:Jump rebid in NT - - usually 18-19 points.Double-jump raise partner's suit.Double jump rebid his own suit.Jump shift into a second suit four cards or longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 Imps or MP's ?The problem with this hand is that Kxxxx and out makes a decent game.2S is not an option. 4D/4H should promise very strong hand in my opinion playing 11-21 openings.What is left is 3S and 4S. At imps I would just go for 4S and MP's probably 3S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 3♥ wtp? Raise partner to game if he declines, but hit the brakes a little, if he moves towards slam. What to do if partner will not understand 3♥? Well, 3♠ and a course in basic intermidiate bidding for partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 It appears from OP's presentation of SAYC that raises in spades are the only options. 4D is defined as a lot of points and a lot of diamonds, not as a spade raise. Count my 2S as a misclick. would try 3S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 W/e sayc says, bidding 2S on this is pathetically bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 why can't I pick 4♠? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 2♠. Yeah, it's a bad bid. However, we're playing SAYC, in which there are a lot of bad bids. B-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 why bash a bid that one of us chose by accident, and the other chose for real? answer: because we were both wrong. But bashing SAYC is pointless, because the OP gave it as a condition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yaohung Posted March 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 why can't I pick 4♠? have added this option for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yaohung Posted March 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 3♥ wtp? Raise partner to game if he declines, but hit the brakes a little, if he moves towards slam. What to do if partner will not understand 3♥? Well, 3♠ and a course in basic intermidiate bidding for partner. in the poll now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 why can't I pick 4♠? because it shows 18-19 bal? B-) anyway, I'm going to bid game as well. 4♦ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 4♦ for me. We are bidding game and we need to tell pd what are we bidding it with. Tbh i hate the 3♠ bid here, we have decent game chnces opposite almost nothing. such as Kxxxxxxxxxxxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 3H - most play, this as a splinter, which would give a fairly accurate description. And you dont even have to play, that 3H generates a GF. In General - shape is more important than points. Regarding 4D - we play this as a 5422 shape, so this would notbe an option for us, I am not sure, how common this treatmentis, the classical tratement is a 64 shape, and the suit being nearly solid. With kind regardsMarlowe PS: If I cant bid 3H, I would go with 3S, I am not forcing to game with this hand, the hand is nice, but not strong enough toforce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 In General - shape is more important than points. In general shape > hcp >> location of hcp Which is why I tend to totally disregard tertiary things, like stoppers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 4♠ shows such hand for me, so I'll bid that. Minimum offensive 6-4 with only useful honours, that's pretty much perfect. Some use 4♦ for such hand, fine by me as well. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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