icearif Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 MP - None vul♠Q83♥K53♦K862♣K83 Pass - 2♦ - X - Pass (weak 2 in ♦)? What do you bid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 2N Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 Pass. I got no suit, a defensive hand and am ok with any lead. Just perfect for passing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossoneri Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 2N. Pass seems like a good way to concede a bottom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyman Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 Blech. 2N is lebensohl in my system. I'm tempted to punt 3N, but I fear I'll be punishing pard for trying to get us in the auction. It may well be the right spot, but this is MP, and if he's got a 10 count or something, we could be in a heap of trouble. Assuming the field bids 2N natural or plays 2D or 2Dx:Pass and pray only wins when we're +300 or more vs 8 tricks exactly in NT or when we're +100 vs a failing NT contract3N wins when we can take 9+ tricks in NT, or when we're down 1 versus a making diamond contract (unlikely I'd think), or when pard would have raised a natural 2N to 3N anyway it's a wash. I think passing is hoping for too much, so I'll bid 3N and not be happy about it. Pard knows I only have 11, and he'll know I'm either 5332 or 4333 (but with 5332 with stopper(s) I'm more likely to have passed). He'll make the right call. Tough problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 I'd bid 3N as well, passing is too much of a position with no quick tricks, lousy trump spots, and no ruffing values. 3N should have a reasonable shot to make, especially since a holding like ♦Jx in dummy might be very valuable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 Yeh, 3N. But pard doesn't double really-really light here, so it feels right. Am not lamenting that 2NT is weak for clubs or invitational for a major and not available as a natural bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 2N Darn he's living up to his moniker :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 2nt is lebensohl for me too but I can use it, followed by 3nt to show doubt but this is the wrong hand for that. I'm passing cause I like my pards defence better than my declarer play. Should probably shoot 3nt at imps but early in a match might pass to serve notice on aggressive opponents. Either way, I'm not surprised if it's wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 2nt is lebensohl for me too but I can use it, followed by 3nt to show doubt but this is the wrong hand for that. I'm passing cause I like my pards defence better than my declarer play. Should probably shoot 3nt at imps but early in a match might pass to serve notice on aggressive opponents.Especially when they make it or escape for down 1 when you were cold for 3N. It'll tell them something, just probably not what you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 Especially when they make it or escape for down 1 when you were cold for 3N. It'll tell them something, just probably not what you want. If we are cold for 3nt, they might escape for down 1 but down 2 is more likely and I'll eat the loss. They aren't making it. Our style is to strain to overcall a suit of instead of double and if pard has the big hand with a long suit, yes, I lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 Assuming the field bids 2N natural or plays 2D or 2Dx: I am more worried about the field not having 2♦ natural and weak than about their having a natural 2NT available. I don't love my prospects in 3NT opposite partner's "normal" 4=4=1=4 14-count, but I agree with those who think that passing is taking too much of a gamble. Unlucky that I'm not playing this hand against a Benji or Multi pair... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 If 2NT is natural I consider it's obvious to bid it.If it's not I think it's closer. I prefer to bid 3NT than pass on first sight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 2N. Pass seems like a good way to concede a bottom. As 90% of the world plays 2NT as Lebensohl, what are you going to do when your partner bids the obligatory 3C?Realistically you can pass or bid 3NT here. I guess to bid 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shevek Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 2NT should be natural here.Suggest Lebenstensions less usefull after 2♦.We only play Leb after their 2M opening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 We only play Leb after their 2M opening. Yeah, makes sense. Probably the same should go for multi ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 Lol @ 90 % of the world playing lebensohl here. I did not know anyone plays lebensohl over a weak 2D, shows what I know I guess! It doesn't even seem like that bad of an agreement if we were an unpassed hand since I guess it helps with slam hands sometimes, but it seems completely awful as a passed hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 Lol @ 90 % of the world playing lebensohl here. I did not know anyone plays lebensohl over a weak 2D, shows what I know I guess! I do think that 90% of the world plays it, and I suspect that your bridge crowd is in the more exalted 10%... I think that most people have not really thought about it. They agree to play Lebensohl over weak 2's, discuss a couple of auctions, and then are done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 I think that most people have not really thought about it. They agree to play Lebensohl over weak 2's, discuss a couple of auctions, and then are done. Yeah... Where I am from nobody plays weak 2d but people play lebensohl against multi. Not only that, it's quite fashionable to play: 2D - dbl - 2H(pass/correct) 2NT as lebensohl :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 Lol @ 90 % of the world playing lebensohl here. I did not know anyone plays lebensohl over a weak 2D, shows what I know I guess! It doesn't even seem like that bad of an agreement if we were an unpassed hand since I guess it helps with slam hands sometimes, but it seems completely awful as a passed hand. Well perhaps you can tell the difference between xxAxxxxxAQxxx and xxxxxxxxxxxxx as both hands passed at their first turn - I can't. As for Leb over a weak 2D perhaps you should look at this thread?http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/topic/44832-this-didnt-work-assess-the-blame/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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