dellache Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 [hv=pc=n&e=sqthkt98dat92cqt2&d=w&v=b&b=4&a=pp]133|200[/hv]Would you open 1♦ or Pass ?Why ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 I'd open it in any seat. The spot cards make it worth a 12-count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 Eventho you play 5 card majors, you could open 1♥ in 3rd seat... since you have Drury protection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 Agree with gnasher. It's easily worth a full opening bid and I don't open that light. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 An opening bid is an opening bid which is an opening bid. ... Which happens to be an opening bid! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 been having lessons of diction? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 I would open 1♦. It's easily worth a full opening bid and I don't open that light. Is this the end of a beautiful friendship? http://www.jeff-goldsmith.org/cgi-bin/knr.cgi?hand=qt+kt98+at92+qt2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 Is this the end of a beautiful friendship? http://www.jeff-goldsmith.org/cgi-bin/knr.cgi?hand=qt+kt98+at92+qt2Heh. 32 KT98 AT92 QT2 is 10.6QT KT98 AT92 QT2 is 11.35 So KNR is only counting 0.75 for the doubleton queen ten of spades which is clearly too little. Anyway, opening with a balanced 12 means, on a continuous scale, any hand closer to 12 than 11. So 11.51 is enough and I only need to value the spade holding as 0.91 to get there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 I like the concept of sometimes passing with a hand I would pass in 4th seat hoping for a passout, and use it sometimes. However, as others have said I think the spots make this hand too strong to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 1♦, it's what I have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 I'd open it in any seat. The spot cards make it worth a 12-count. Agree with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant590 Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 I tend to pass balanced 11/poor12 counts in 3rd because I play in the context of a system that opens all balanced 11 counts in 1st (at these colours anyway). However, the pips are just too sexy to pass here imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 My partner already opened 1S lightly, unless he had both majors 10-ish -leaving this hand to me to start/not.I start 1H.Without spades-in-lightly from partner as a negative inference, swayed by "where are the spades?" NOT US - SO NO ENCOURAGING A 1S OVERCALL.!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dellache Posted March 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 At the table, partner had a non suitable 7HCP 3325 Hand, bid 1NT and went 3 down after a few misguesses (double dummy was 1 down, good play would have been 2 down imo). LHO had 4351 16HCP (stiff ♣J), and decided to pass this (?!). At the other table, East passed in 3rd, and declarer had to be very clever to manage 9 tricks in Spades (we miraculously stopped in 3♠ with silent oppos, south having 4351 - 16HCP). I guess if you pass they usually reach 4♠ and go 2 down on the board. So it was a practical 12 imps loss. We are not result merchants, but were just wondering afterwards what was the real purpose of opening 1♦ RED in 3rd with those defensive values : do we really want to play 1NT after 1♦ 1♠ 1NT or 1♦ 1NT ? Do we really think that if partner cannot bid 1♠ we will prevent oppos to find Spades and not facilitate their cardplay ? Or do we think that we must enter the bidding and the pros are higher than the cons ? I'm still perplexed about this. NOTE: I would have not resisted the temptation to open 1♦ myself, as a "gut" bid. This hand has opening bid values... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 We are not result merchants, but were just wondering afterwards what was the real purpose of opening 1♦ RED in 3rd with those defensive values : do we really want to play 1NT after 1♦ 1♠ 1NT or 1♦ 1NT ? Do we really think that if partner cannot bid 1♠ we will prevent oppos to find Spades and not facilitate their cardplay ? Or do we think that we must enter the bidding and the pros are higher than the cons ? I'm still perplexed about this. If we bid 1♦-1♠;1NT-pass, I'd be expecting to make it more often than not. Those spot cards ought to make it quite hard to defend. So one reason that I'm opening the bidding is to try to make a partscore. If the opponents have a spade fit and we have a red-suit fit, it may or may not be right to compete to the three level, but I'd prefer a cooperative sequence like [hv=d=s&v=b&b=7&a=pp1d1sd2sppdp3h]133|100[/hv]than one where I have to decide what to do without involving my partner, such as:[hv=d=s&v=b&b=7&a=ppp1sp2s]133|100[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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