jillybean Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 After partner makes a game forcing response to an opening bid we will always make a 'courtesy cue' (A,K,S,V) below game if we can.I think that is fairly standard. 1♠:4♣4♦ My question is, should we be showing extra's if partner is passed hand? P:1♠4♣:? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 In splinter auctions, there are no such things as courtesy cuebids. If you have a bad hand facing that shortness, you sign off. If you want to make a slam try, you cuebid. Therefore yes, 4♦ here would show extras... Enough to be interested in slam facing a passed hand splinter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 Obviously you need enough that slam will be good opposite some possible hands. So you can't always cue bid opposite a passed hand, and if your splinters are limited (e.g. responding 2NT with a strong splinter) then you can't always cue bid opposite an unpassed hand either. Even if the splinter is unlimited, I would sign off with a poorly fitting minimum. There's room for partner to find out about a control in an unbid suit if that's all he needs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted March 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 Bad example for the first auction sorry. The hands for the second auction were xxxx, AQxx, Axxx, x AKQJTx, Jx, x, KQxx P:1♠4♣:4♠ If we cue ♦'s we will get to 6 but it is on the ♥ finesse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 First of all, not getting to this slam is reasonable. As you mentioned, the heart finesse must work. But, if you also have the club Ace over the King-Queen, and if spades split 3-0, you still might not make even if the heart finesse works. Thus, this seems like an anti-percentage slam. The question, though, was whether you always "courtesy cue" after a game-forcing call by partner. No. Obviously not. If partner, for instance, were to make a game-forcing call, and then started cuebidding, you obviously would not cue if a known hole exists. Also, you would not cue if partner shows non-serious interest and you lack interest. A courtesy cue only occurs when partner is unlimited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurpoa Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 After partner makes a game forcing response to an opening bid we will always make a 'courtesy cue' (A,K,S,V) below game if we can.I think that is fairly standard. 1♠:4♣4♦ My question is, should we be showing extra's if partner is passed hand? P:1♠4♣:? Even on a passed hand, P's use of a splinter shows extra values (beyond game).Opener should respect that, and every excuse should be good to start a cue bidding sequenece.Only on a minimum hand, with useless values in the splinter suit,opener should bid 4 of his major. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 Even on a passed hand, P's use of a splinter shows extra values (beyond game).Opener should respect that, and every excuse should be good to start a cue bidding sequenece.Only on a minimum hand, with useless values in the splinter suit,opener should bid 4 of his major.OK that makes no sense, a passed hand is a passed hand. You don't pass 14 counts waiting for partner to open the suit you have, do you? Therefore a passed hand is limited, and a splinter can only be so good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 After partner makes a game forcing response to an opening bid we will always make a 'courtesy cue' (A,K,S,V) below game if we can.I think that is fairly standard. 1♠:4♣4♦ No it's not standard, and it is terrible to courtesy cue after a splinter. The message "I have a decent hand" is much more important than the message "I have a diamond control". My question is, should we be showing extra's if partner is passed hand? P:1♠4♣:? If partner is a passed hand and we know that it is absolutely impossible that we have a slam, should we cue? If you think about I believe that you can figure out the answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 OK that makes no sense, a passed hand is a passed hand. You don't pass 14 counts waiting for partner to open the suit you have, do you? Therefore a passed hand is limited, and a splinter can only be so good. I certainly agree with this comment. I would not be fussed missing out on the slam, by the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted January 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 Watching a JEC match this evening got me thinking about courtesay cue-bidding again.These WC players obviously had other rules regarding C-Cue's [hv=pc=n&s=sqj642ha98dq6c852&n=sa93hjtdaj73cakt7&d=w&v=b&b=4&a=p1np2hp2sp3np4cp4hp4sppp]266|200[/hv] The cue bidding here appeared to pin-point the values for the opponents allowing them to set it -2while at the other table after an auction of 1N 2H 2S 3N 4S , 4S= or maybe it was just unlucky play atboth tables which contributed to the outcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 Watching a JEC match this evening got me thinking about courtesay cue-bidding again.These WC players obviously had other rules regarding C-Cue'sWell, not everyone who posts in the Water Cooler is good at bridge. South's 4♥ was just stupid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 Well, not everyone who posts in the Water Cooler is good at bridge. South's 4♥ was just stupid.I believe that "WC" means World Class in this instance, not Water Cooler or anything else. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 Hi, the 4C bid was ..., the North hand is not extraordinary,South was content to bid game, North should simply bid 4S. If at all, a cue by North should show a max., usually 4 cards,unless those are already denied, by the simple transfer, allpoints working, a source of tricks, I may come up with a 5332 shape some would upgrade. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustinst22 Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 Well, not everyone who posts in the Water Cooler is good at bridge. South's 4♥ was just stupid. Edit: Never mind, just answered my own question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 the 4C bid was ..., the North hand is not extraordinary,North has a fit, a maximum and 7 controls. Maybe not extraordinary, but certainly far above average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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