kgr Posted March 6, 2011 Report Share Posted March 6, 2011 [hv=pc=s&w=sa43ha85djt43ct94&d=s&v=0&b=1&a=1np2np3nppp]133|200[/hv]EDIT: IMP's scoring Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted March 6, 2011 Report Share Posted March 6, 2011 ♣T. what scoring? it is quite important in lead decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted March 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2011 what scoring? it is quite important in lead decisions.IMP's; I've Edited the original post. This should be added to the diagram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siegmund Posted March 6, 2011 Report Share Posted March 6, 2011 No strong feelings between CT and Dx. But it's the wrongest time to lead a major against 3NT that there is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexJonson Posted March 6, 2011 Report Share Posted March 6, 2011 I'd lead a diamond. It's not illegal for opps to 3325 versus 4423. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dellache Posted March 6, 2011 Report Share Posted March 6, 2011 Here both minor leads could help declarer, but Diamonds may also easily be needed to score the 5th trick in defense. So I'll lead my 4th♦.BTW, imo, leading any Major is terrible with Axx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted March 6, 2011 Report Share Posted March 6, 2011 Diamond for me, a small one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 Small D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 A low diamond and I feel pretty strongly about it. Going passive with a club doesn't rate to be right and it might blow a trick with no upside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 Low diamond also. The auction does suggest a passive lead so you could maybe make a case for a club if they were 1098 so it was completely safe. But it doesn't seem right to lead my worst suit instead of my best suit when either could blow a trick but probably won't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 ♣ T It is auto to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 I'd lead a diamond. It's not illegal for opps to 3325 versus 4423.not illegal but highly irregular. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted March 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=s72hkqtdaq86ckq52&w=sa43ha85djt43ct94&n=sk5hj72dk92cj8763&e=sqjt986h9643d75ca&d=s&v=0&b=11&a=1np2np3nppp]399|300[/hv]I did lead a small ♦. My partner said that a Major lead was obvious after this bidding, but I thought leading my longest suit was better with 2 entries. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=s72hkqtdaq86ckq52&w=sa43ha85djt43ct94&n=sk5hj72dk92cj8763&e=sqjt986h9643d75ca&d=s&v=0&b=11&a=1np2np3nppp]399|300[/hv]I did lead a small ♦. My partner said that a Major lead was obvious after this bidding, but I thought leading my longest suit was better with 2 entries. congratulate him on having his 20/20 hindsight corrected but his vision is still off :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=s72hkqtdaq86ckq52&w=sa43ha85djt43ct94&n=sk5hj72dk92cj8763&e=sqjt986h9643d75ca&d=s&v=0&b=11&a=1np2np3nppp]399|300[/hv]I did lead a small ♦. My partner said that a Major lead was obvious after this bidding, but I thought leading my longest suit was better with 2 entries. Your partner is a result merchant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 Your partner is a result merchant.The good thing about this is you can inquire as to why he didn't overcall 3♠ or double 3NT and he can hardly accuse you of resulting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 it's you and me, Gwnn. Does that scare you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 it's you and me, Gwnn. Does that scare you? You are wrong, he did not vote if other one is you for ♣ lead :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 ok...then the three of us, all wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted March 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 ok...then the three of us, all wrong.Everybody wrong, only a spade will defeat it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 kgr, click on the GIB button of your own diagram. only a diamond or a small heart lets it through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted March 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 kgr, click on the GIB button of your own diagram. only a diamond or a small heart lets it through.yes, right (I didn't really verify for a Club because it didn't feel like a good lead :) ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 If that's your partner's argument, I'd say he could've just doubled for a ♠ lead... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 I did lead a small ♦. My partner said that a Major lead was obvious after this bidding, but I thought leading my longest suit was better with 2 entries. As you can see from the comments by experienced players, it's pretty obvious NOT to lead a major :) Like everybody else, I'd blow a trick with my small diamond lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 My simulation tells me that: A♠ = 3843♠ = 339A♥ = 3695♥ = 343J♦ = 375T♣ = 401 (times the lead defeats 3NT on 1k hand sample) So I am leading a club next time I am dealt this hand.This is the second time lately when I would expect major suit lead to be a winner but it isn't. Last time it was Kxx holdings now Axx. If we substitute our Axx of spades to 8xx then the results would be: ♠ - 388A♥ - 3265♥ - 315J♦ - 294x♦ - 309T♣ - 351 It seems that underleading Hxx sucks even double dummy. Obviously it's even worse in practical play. EDIT: For Q43 A85 JT43 T94 the results are: 3♠ - 205A♥ - 2535[hearts= - 249J♦ - 2384♦ - 251T♣ - 285 and for the same hand with Jxx of spades: x♠ - 327A♥ - 299x♦ - 295T♣ - 325 and the last one for Txx of spades: 3♠ - 396A♥ - 3635♥ - 3503♦ - 352T♣ - 399 The trend is clear: if there safe major suit lead available it's the best. If not, clubs > diamonds.I have found that 1k hand sample still have some variance but is quite reliable (by that I mean that if the difference is 25+ hands it's rarely due to luck). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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