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you are playing forcing no trump.

 

hard core, x-rated forcing no trump.

 

is there something worng with my bidding?

 

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thanks

ps i dound partner with 3 little clubs and aq third in diamonds

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I think the OP is implying opener should have rebid .As others have pointed out even with AQx in and xxx in it is correct to rebid 2 to a response of forcing NT.Length matters and with equal length, is the proper rebid.
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Unless opener has some shape a bit more extreme than 5431 then his worst hand type if you pull to diamonds is 5-3-1-4, and you would have been better then by passing 2C. Otherwise it is likely to be pretty neutral or better in Diamonds. I do have some concerns that opener might bid again over 2D with extras. And of course opener could be more shapely than 5431. I can't get too excited about either choice.
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Put me down for pass the first time and pass the second time too, though I will admit that the case between passing 2C and bidding 2D isn't 100% clear. In my book, if you DO for some reason bid a subminimum 1NTF over 1S, it is with the idea of praying partner bids ANYthing but spades.
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I would have passed first time. Agree with Siegmund: you bid 1NT with such a weak hand partly to improve the partscore, but here you aren't really happy with any rebid from partner other than an unlikely 2 or 2.

 

Not having passed first time I would pass second time. Maybe the chance that 2 is better than 2 is 50/50 or thereabouts. But you are so weak that you strongly prefer not to give partner a chance to bid again with his 16-17 misfitting hand.

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The first time, sure, but the second time? You really think so?

 

Yes. Systemically, 2D promises 6 diamonds. There must be an exception for 1-5-5-2 but in that case responder will usually guess to bid hearts unless the diamonds are better. Partner has to trust you and pass when he has 5413 as well as 5314. But 2D also may attract a rebid. You don't want partner making a game try with 2N or 3C or 3D. About the only game try that might improve the contract is 2S.

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agree 100% with 1NT

agree only 10% with 2. it's too wishful for my liking. even if it's a 3-3 fit, it could play quite well!

 

After all was said and done, I should not have rebid 2d

 

tho the requirement is only 5 cards in the suit, that actually shows 5+ hcp which i did not have.

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Which system is that? Can you please provide some links?

 

I do not hobnob with live experts, but I consult dead ones, and

 

Max Hardy says: to introduce a new suit at the 2 level requires 5+ cards and 5-9 hcp.

 

(page 78, std bridge bidding for the 21st century)

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Agree with the 1NT response.

 

Well my intent when post was this,

 

I am, in fact a kaplanite, and prefer to play a forcing no trump reponse to show in fact 0+ hcp when holding a misfit for partner. When your hand is in fact that weak, no contract is likely to make anyway so you better try to improve the fit, he says.

 

This is in fact outlined in the 1962 edition of Winning Bridge.

 

Although I have noticed that more recent books have this 5+ hcp thing.

 

I play mostly matchpoints, so the 2 trumps are great for my pass.

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I do not hobnob with live experts, but I consult dead ones, and

 

Max Hardy says: to introduce a new suit at the 2 level requires 5+ cards and 5-9 hcp.

 

(page 78, std bridge bidding for the 21st century)

 

Here's a link I found....

http://home.comcast.net/~kwbridge/1ntforce.htm

 

This link suggests that introduction of a new suit at the 2-level requires a strong 5-cd suit. Probably KT97x doesn't qualify as a strong 5-cd suit.

 

This link doesn't get into a lot of nuance about what the probabilities are, but suggesting one's own suit after partner has suggested two other strains ought generally to be avoided. Partner will play you for a 6-cd suit because the odds that you 1) don't have a fit for either of partner's suits and 2) have a good 5-cd suit of your own (meaning that your meager values are concentrated within 5 of your 13 cards) are small.

 

Forcing NT presents difficult rebid problems. What if you have 1-5-5-2 and both your red suits are poor? It's mostly a guess here because any strain could be right. Better is to use semi-forcing NT, but even then one will have to guess sometimes.

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