Phil Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 [hv=pc=n&e=s7hakj42dqt9ca732&n=skqt32hqt983dck84&d=w&nv=n&b=2&a=2spp5dppdppp]266|200[/hv] You are vulnerable. Opps are not. You consider a move over 2♠, but decide not to (agree?) Pard leads the ♠A and shifts to a heart. You cash the J-A and partner discards a low spade. Over to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 Rather surprised no one is answering this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 Rather surprised no one is answering this.Maybe you need to correct the diagram:East opened 2S with a singleton?North bid 5D with a void? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 Maybe you need to correct the diagram:East opened 2S with a singleton?North bid 5D with a void? Unless you re-do a diagram that is easier said then done. I'll see if I can fix the code (easier than I thought). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 Does partner open 2♠ on 5? for example AJxxx? :) Oh I see we're vulnerable (unfortunately the diagram confused me). Then I guess no. Declarer has one spade and two hearts. We don't know how many diamonds he has. However, we can play a small heart can't we? Then declarer has to play clubs from his hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 Does partner open 2♠ on 5? for example AJxxx? :) Oh I see we're vulnerable (unfortunately the diagram confused me). Then I guess no. Declarer has one spade and two hearts. We don't know how many diamonds he has. However, we can play a small heart can't we? Then declarer has to play clubs from his hand? AJxxx r/w? Yeah, thats the other partner :P Not this guy. How many diamonds do you think LHO really has? And what about this small spade discard. Anything fishy about that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 Hm. Declarer has 10 minor cards in total. Also partner and declarer hold six clubs in total. Leading clubs from his hand is only bad for declarer if he has Jx in clubs but that would give himxxxAKJxxxxxJx Which is really not a 5♦ bid, no matter what class of opponents we're talking here. So I don't think making him lead a club from hand is that important. So we should play ace of clubs and heart, because maybe partner has the jack of diamonds and we get two tricks? I don't see anything else I have no idea what partner means with that ♠ discard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumpace Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 +1 gwnn: Cash CA, and hope to get an extra trump trick by playing a heart. Also, I agree (and am curious): what can we read from the spade discard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 +1 gwnn: Cash CA, and hope to get an extra trump trick by playing a heart. Also, I agree (and am curious): what can we read from the spade discard? Right card - maybe incomplete on the right 'answer'. Declarer was 1-2-9-1. Partner had the hoped for ♦J - singleton. The winning defense is to cash the ♣A and play the 3rd club. This gets you 800, instead of 500. I had hoped for x xx AK7xxxxx Qx (I mean, how bad is 5♦ w/r with this? Not really IMO) by playing a high heart, ruffed, overruffed, club and a 4th heart. Yes declarer should ruff with the Ace, and he might, but we give ourselves the best shot for 1100 this way. We got this declarer for 1700 on the prior board, so he was already traumatized, and I doubt he finds the right play :) Don't you think with 6-1-1-5 that he could afford a club pitch? I think so. I took the lack of a club discard as the need to protect something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 It is pretty bad. If you want to bid 5♦ as a save, you should pass 2♠. If you want to bid 5♦ to make, it is almost irregardless what the vulnerability is. In fact when you're favourable, you should try not to overbid to game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 It is pretty bad. If you want to bid 5♦ as a save, you should pass 2♠. If you want to bid 5♦ to make, it is irregardless what the vulnerability is. Irregardless Yeah, true. He is in the passout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 This thread is kind of a mystery to me, seems like playing the ♥A is fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumpace Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 Dupe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumpace Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 This thread is kind of a mystery to me, seems like playing the ♥A is fine. Yes, looks like that to me too :-) One possible concern: If declarer throws a club on HA, how do you continue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 Yes, looks like that to me too :-) One possible concern: If declarer throws a club on HA, how do you continue?That depends on partner's club discard, showing count in that suit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 If declarer throws a heart on ♣A, we're certainly not worse off than we would have been if we'd cashed ♣A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 If declarer throws a club on ♥A, we're certainly not worse off than we would have been if we'd cashed ♣A. Fixed :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 Yes, that's what I meant. The round-suit aces are just so hard to tell apart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumpace Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 That depends on partner's club discard, showing count in that suit? I guess with a great partner, that is possible. If declarer throws a club on ♥A, we're certainly not worse off than we would have been if we'd cashed ♣A. Yes, I believe everyone agrees :-) The question was do you get greedy and try to cash the ♣A next (playing for 1-2-8-2) to get an extra trick (and potentially losing out to 1-2-9-1)? (This multiquote feature is nice :-)) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 The question was do you get greedy and try to cash the ♣A next (playing for 1-2-8-2) to get an extra trick (and potentially losing out to 1-2-9-1)?If I found myself in some parallel universe where partner doesn't play signalling, I'd consider declarer's play. If he had 1282 with ♣Q, presumably he'd have ruffed with something rather than throw a winner.If he has x xx AKJxxxxx xx he's misplayed it - he could have ruffed the heart with ♦J, then endplayed me with the third round of trumps.If he has x xx AK87xxxx Jx he's probably misplayed it - he could have ruffed the heart high or medium and held his minor-suit losers to three.If he has x xx AK86xxxx Jx he's probably misplayed it - he could have ruffed the heart high and held his minor-suit losers to three.Those are all horrible 5♦ bids, so I'm not going to consider any weaker hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumpace Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 If I found myself in some parallel universe where partner doesn't play signalling, I'd consider declarer's play. I guess if declarer throws a club, partner can tell you have the ♣A and partner can signal count there.Maybe it is obvious that the signal _has_ to be count. Anyway, apologies if I have been asking questions with obvious answers, I tend to be in B/I mode most of the time :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 [hv=pc=n&e=s7hakj42dqt9ca732&n=skqt32hqt983dck84&d=w&nv=n&b=2&a=2spp5dppdppp]266|200[/hv] You are vulnerable. Opps are not. You consider a move over 2♠ wat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 I guess if declarer throws a club, partner can tell you have the ♣A and partner can signal count there.Maybe it is obvious that the signal _has_ to be count.There's only one suit where West can hold anything of value, and this is his second discard. I think that makes it clearly count. Anyway, apologies if I have been asking questions with obvious answers, I tend to be in B/I mode most of the time :-)I didn't say any of the answers were obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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