mr1303 Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=skt753hk3dkq4ckt5&n=sqj92h76djcaq9863&d=n&v=e&b=9&a=1cp1s2h3hp4np5dp6hp6sppp]266|200[/hv] Not our finest hour. We had no agreement on the 3H bid. South wasn't sure if it should be showing 18-19 balanced without a heart stop, or an advanced cuebid agreeing spades, so tried 4NT as a hedge. When partner responded 5D (showing 1 or 4 key cards) South decided that this should agree spades and show 4 key cards, so tried for a grand. They cashed their three aces for 2 off (doubled sadly) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 Don't understand 3♥ at all. 2♠ on that hand looks normal, 3♠ an overbid (by quite a lot), and anything else is wierd. Certainly no blame to South for assuming that partner must have more than one keycard. Maybe South should have bid 5♥ to find out about the queen of spades before making a grand try, and possibly also should have converted to 6NT at the end, but none of that would have mattered obviously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 The hand is a minimum opening bid. Many people would not open. 3H is a gross overbid. What is wrong with 2S? This is 100% North's fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 100% blame to North for the already-stated reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotShot Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 Obviously 3♥ is an overbid from North and North has to take almost all of the blame, but South bidding is no really good either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 It was clearly North's fault. But what on earth is 6♥? You have an easy grand try available with 5♥, followed by 6♣ or even 7N over 5N (which should show ♠Q, no king, but something else useful, i.e. ♣Q). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 The auction shows quite a common misunderstanding from North. Many people play that after partner opens a major and RHO overcalls, that a jump raise is weak and a cue bid shows a 'good raise' - the cue bid isn't anything like game forcing, just shows invitational values. For example, an auction such as 1S (2H) 3H is about 10+ points with 3 or 4 card spade support. By extension, it is then thought that the same is true by opener, i.e. that 1C P 1S 2H3H shows a 'good' raise to 3S with a jump to 3S being weak.North doesn't really have a 'good' raise (he's got a normal 2S bid or, if they were playing that, a pre-emptive 3S bid), but I wonder if that is where the auction has gone wrong. It's normal to play the 3H here as a game force, not necessarily with spade support. That's also where South has gone wrong, because 3H might be a hand without spade support, but (e.g.) a strong hand with good, long clubs and no heart stop. We could go into a lot of philosophy about why opener's bids have different meanings to responder's bids on a similar auction, but unfortunately the margin here is too small. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 Yes, the only way the 3♥ bid makes any sense is if North forgot they opened 1♣ instead of passing which should have at least crossed their mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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