Tourney rules

[mink]

hi

 

I am amazed how fast the tourney software has been implemented and how smooth and error free everything performed when I attended the last test tourney. As far as I have seen there were only a few test tourneys needed to achieve such a stable product. Thanks Fred and Uday!

 

I am looking forward to the regular tourneys now. Why isn't any scheduled yet?

 

This first implementation of course does not yet have all features one can think of. But better start it with some features missing than wait much longer for the perfect implementation.

 

However, as some development decisions are not yet made, there is the opportunity to discuss them before development is done in an undesired direction.

 

One issue is the time limit for one round. In the test tourney it was 15 minutes for 2 boards. The current implenetation is, that when the time is over, both pairs get an Average Minus score. I strongly believe that this is not the final rule but serves only until Uday got time to implement a better solution.

 

What could that be? There are 2 possibilities:

 

1. Stick to the idea that there is a fixed amount of time for one round. But not both pairs should get the Average Minus, but only those pairs that exceeded more time than the other, and the faster pair should get an Average Plus.

 

2. Each board that has started is finished, as long as this is possible within 10 Minutes beyond the normal ending time of the round. If there are less than 2 minutes of normal round time left when a table is about to start a new board, this board isn't started anymore. Penalty points for playing slow are given, but only to those pairs the cause delays. Connection problems should not be punished.

 

 

Another issue is the movement. For BBO tourneys I would expect more tables than rounds usually. In this case, a swiss movement could be played to enforce that the best pairs play against each other. Currently, only a simple Mitchell movement is available.

 

Karl

[easy]

I vote for swiss movement

[skrshawk]

Hello,

We are working on shaking out the final bugs that are in the server code for the tournaments. Until then the actual availability of tournaments will be somewhat limited. Expect most tournaments for the short term to be one-shot events announced when registrations open. I am running a weekly tournament now to help raise interest in the tournament software.

 

Many of the features you mentioned will be coming up sooner rather than later. The time limit issue is going to be addressed more directly when the ability for a director to assign scores is implemented. Once this is available a director will be able to use traditional judgment in discerning how scores should be assigned when there is an irregularity.

 

Thanks for your enthusiasm and hope you join us for some more tourneys :(.

 

Take care,

John

[paulg]

With respect to timings, does the director or the software automatically move to the next round if everyone has completed the current round in, say, 10 minutes?

[inquiry]

With respect to timings, does the director or the software automatically move to the next round if everyone has completed the current round in, say, 10 minutes?

 

The software automatically moves everyone for the next round when A) the time limit is up, or :( play has finished at all the tables (saving time).

[chmm]

"CC or ALERT" thats the question... well I do not understand it. Nowhere in the whole world a cc excludes alerts of artificial bids. Nowhere but on BBO ?

 

 

It is for sure understandable in the early days of tournies here, that not every pair has to post a CC. But posting of a CC shouldnt change any alertrules.

[JRG]

Where did "Convention Card or Alert" come up? I haven't seen it (although I only played in a couple of test tournaments, so I may be missing something).

 

To the best of my knowledge, you are still required to self-alert. Clearly you should ALSO have a convention card and it would make sense for the opponents to look at it (I think you can keep it open while you are playing, so perhaps minimize it and then it can be recalled quickly).

[chmm]

Played yesterday in a tourny... the bidding went: 1D - p - 1nt - ppp... the dummy comes up: AKx Qxx xxx KJxx.. so I look up the profile... precision ... well nice... I call the director to beware my rights... and hear " when they have a cc posted, they do not need to alert"... Hmmm.. makes me thinking....

[csdenmark]

Right of you to think chmm.

 

Maybe better to take a look into the most popular artificial systems. Then you will be able to make your judgement better based. Your call for tournament director seems based on nothing.

 

The precision 1D opening is normally not alerted. I think those few playing 1D=1+cd will alert it.

 

In precision it is standard to alert openings: 1C, 2C, 2D and to give explanation for 1NT, 2H, 2S. This is the same for Blue Team System.

 

I most think of why you post here without your signature!

 

Yours Claus - csdenmark :D

[skrshawk]

Hello,

Let me clarify something about when alerts are necessary. Yesterday's tourney was going badly from the TD's perspective for a number of reasons and thus I made a decision that shouldn't have been made.

 

Any non-standard bid needs to be alerted. I would like to think if it is stated that a partnership is playing Precision that if there is question as to the 1 club opener that it be asked, but most players should know.

 

The point comes down to damage made by the bidding sequence - if no CC is posted and such bids get made then that's clearly a violation of the laws and spirit of Bridge. However take it upon yourself to determine what your opponents are playing - that could be really useful information, I don't know how, but... :)

 

Take care,

John

[bglover]

There is an easy and obvious solution to this: Require all partnerships to temporarily change their name information (the information we see when we put our cursor over their names) to state what their basic system is for the tourney.

 

It wouldn't be onerous at all... or, with the addtion of notes, simply add this information to the notes area (each partner clicks on one another's name and puts notes in for each other).

 

One extra minute before the tourney starts will solve a myriad of complaints... glad I could he,lp.

[Rado]

Hi all,

I'm totally with Steve (2over1) for recommending the tournament participants to write in profile brief description of their methods for the tourney they are playing. In addition we may start the description with:

"TOURNEY PROFILE" in order to differentiate from standart profile used by the player (in case he forgot to change it).

 

Anyway self-alerting must be welcomed since the rules of bridge just require it.

 

Regards, Rado

[hrothgar]

There is an easy and obvious solution to this: Require all partnerships to temporarily change their name information (the information we see when we put our cursor over their names) to state what their basic system is for the tourney.

 

It wouldn't be onerous at all... or, with the addtion of notes, simply add this information to the notes area (each partner clicks on one another's name and puts notes in for each other).

 

One extra minute before the tourney starts will solve a myriad of complaints... glad I could he,lp.

 

I am somewhat confused

Does anything prvent players from using the existing CC utility during tournaments? My understanding is that the problem we are encountering is primarily a social problem rather than a technical one.

 

Players are not using the existing CC utility

Why do we think that they will suddenly start editing their user profiles?

[csdenmark]

Looks like the problems I raised 1/2 a year ago regarding information of opps now has been obvious to more players. The thread is here:

 

 

http://forums.bridgebase.com/in...lay;threadid=86

 

 

My solution is beneath pasted 4 prealerts for opps. Sad to say - most dont read that kind of information!

 

Claus Sønderkøge, Denmark - I live in countryside - island of Mors - near the Northsea. ALERT! We play STRONG PASS (Lambda, Beznazwy or Moscito). Pass open=13+HcP, else pass has normal meaning. 1-2 open=8-12HcP. Convention card(cc) is up. Please enjoy and good luck to you!

 

Claus Sønderkøge, Denmark - I live in countryside - island of Mors - near the Northsea. ALERT! We play STRONG CLUB(Meckwell or Precision) – 16+,any dist. Other openings are limited, normally 10-15. Convention card(cc) is up. Please enjoy and good luck to you!

 

Claus Sønderkøge, Denmark - I live in countryside - island of Mors - near the Northsea. ALERT! We play STRONG CLUB(Blue Team or Hamman-Soloway) - 16+, any dist. Other openings are limited, normally 11-16. Canape’ bidding style is used. Convention card(cc) is up. Please enjoy and good luck to you!

 

Claus Sønderkøge, Denmark - I live in countryside - island of Mors - near the Northsea. ALERT! We play STRONG DIAMOND (Quadri Italia, Leghorn Diamond or Roman Club). Canape’ bidding style is used. Convention card(cc) is up. Please enjoy and good luck to you!

 

Yours Claus - csdenmark :)

[luis]

Another vote for Swiss movement pls.

[Cave_Draco]

Hello,

Let me clarify something about when alerts are necessary. Yesterday's tourney was going badly from the TD's perspective for a number of reasons and thus I made a decision that shouldn't have been made.

 

Any non-standard bid needs to be alerted. I would like to think if it is stated that a partnership is playing Precision that if there is question as to the 1 club opener that it be asked, but most players should know.

 

The point comes down to damage made by the bidding sequence - if no CC is posted and such bids get made then that's clearly a violation of the laws and spirit of Bridge. However take it upon yourself to determine what your opponents are playing - that could be really useful information, I don't know how, but... ;)

 

Take care,

John

 

BBO has two "house" systems, if a pair is not playing BBO Basic opps should be pre-alerted, as in "Benj Acol, 12/14NT". If opps are unfamiliar with the system then they are in a position to question a bid!

 

I am not familiar with <STRONG PASS (Lambda, Beznazwy or Moscito).> I learnt Precision because I used to play against it regularly but I ain't going to learn a system that I see "once in a blue moon". Opps are obliged to alert all non-standard bids, even systematic ones, AND explain them!

 

If this slows down the boards? Tough!

 

;D