druri sequence

[Fluffy]

♠Q62

♥53

♦AQ9853

♣J3

 

 

♠AJ1093

♥Q762

♦K4

♣A5

 

 

Assuming you start pass from north, 1 spade from south and 2♣ from north, what would be your sequence?

[gordontd]

I can't imagine not showing diamonds at any point. If I didn't open 2♦, I'd rebid 3♦ showing a fit for partner's spades.

[rhm]

Pass-1♠

2♣-2♥

2♠--Pass

 

I do not think responder is strong enough to rebid anything but 2♠. Opener's 2♥ bid is natural but does not guarantee extras in my opinion.

However, opener's decision to pass 2♠ is very close. Vulnerable at IMPs I would continue.

 

An intelligent sequence might be

 

Pass-1♠

2♣-2♥

2♠--2NT

3♦--4♠

 

On a ♣ lead game is an underdog.

 

Rainer Herrmann

[aguahombre]

My opponents would be making 6 on a club lead. Diamonds 3-2, doubleton king of trump onside, and playing it that way. If we had the hand, we would be in 2S+1, if lucky.

[Bbradley62]

P - 1♠

2♣ - 4♠

P

 

Partner has made a limit raise in spades. As opener, I accept the invitation to game without thinking about slam, just as I would if I had opened in first seat and partner had made a limit raise to 3♠.

 

I agree with Gordon that I wouldn't bid this way as dealer.

[rhm]

P - 1♠

2♣ - 4♠

P

 

Partner has made a limit raise in spades. As opener, I accept the invitation to game without thinking about slam, just as I would if I had opened in first seat and partner had made a limit raise to 3♠.

 

I agree with Gordon that I wouldn't bid this way as dealer.

 

I don't think that Drury shows necessarily a limit raise, neither do I think that responder has one.

 

Rainer

[gwnn]

I think 95+% of people think Drury shows a limit raise.

[Bbradley62]

I don't think that Drury shows necessarily a limit raise

 

Rainer

Drury is specifically a limit raise. Sources:

 

http://www.bridgehands.com/D/Drury.htm : 2C is artificial, showing 10-12 points and 3+ trump support.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drury_convention : The Drury convention is a bridge convention, used to show a game-invitational major suit raise by a passed hand.

http://www.bridgeguys.com/Conventions/Drury.html : The Drury Convention may only be applied when the responder has a suitable fit, distribution, and sufficient values for the Major suit bid by the opener.

http://home.comcast.net/~kwbridge/drury.htm : The Drury Convention is an artificial 2C response ... It shows 3+-card trump support and maximum playing values (10+ support points).

http://www.larryco.com/BridgeArticles/ArticleDetails.aspx?articleID=309 : In all cases, the 2 bid is artificial (says nothing about clubs). It shows support for the major (at least 3 cards) and a good raise. "Good" means more than a single raise to the 2-level. So, instead of 6-9, this raise is showing 10+ (counting distribution).

BBO Advanced 1.3 Convention Card, bid-by-bid descriptions: 2♣ is Drury: limit raise with 3+ support.

 

I cannot find any documentation from anyone who says otherwise.

[aguahombre]

I remember a topic some time ago, where people advocated an "either/or" 2C bid by a passed hand...3-card limit raise or something else --with restricted rebids by opener.

 

So, we are in a terminology issue here. Maybe those people don't call it Drury --or if they do, they shouldn't.

[Bbradley62]

I remember a topic some time ago, where people advocated an "either/or" 2C bid by a passed hand...3-card limit raise or something else --with restricted rebids by opener.

 

So, we are in a terminology issue here. Maybe those people don't call it Drury.

That sounds like a perfectly reasonable partnership agreement, but I presume that you are correct and they do not call it Drury. Since OP said we are playing Drury, responder has support, so there's no reason to rebid anything other than 4♠.

[Siegmund]

Mine would probably go ...2H-2S-4S, though it could very well just go 1S-2C-4S since there's no reason to investigate a slam.

 

North might be happier playing a good old-fashioned jump to 3D to show a maximum pass, long diamonds, and either promising or strongly implying spade support.

[mike777]

guys the north hand aint no limit raise....basic 2s raise constructive.

[aguahombre]

guys the north hand aint no limit raise....basic 2s raise constructive.

 

You, I, and Rainer agree on that point. We must all be old. Although one would think, because of what modern 1M openings look like these days, more people would tuck in a bit as responder.

[Bbradley62]

guys the north hand aint no limit raise....basic 2s raise constructive.

You, I, and Rainer agree on that point. We must all be old. Although one would think, because of what modern 1M openings look like these days, more people would tuck in a bit as responder.

Gordon and I (and possibly Siegmund) have also agreed that the North hand is not a limit raise, and said that we would have bid differently in that seat. However, we were attempting to answer OP's question of what would happen after 2♣, presuming the given start of the auction.

[mike777]

Gordon and I (and possibly Siegmund) have also agreed that the North hand is not a limit raise, and said that we would have bid differently in that seat. However, we were attempting to answer OP's question of what would happen after 2♣, presuming the given start of the auction.

 

 

 

4s by south wtp?

 

If north has a limit raise I bid game ...easy

 

Of course if north has an opening bid then north needs to open the bidding not pass. :)

[nigel_k]

Maybe I am the only one, but I don't play constructive raises by a passed hand and just lower the bottom limit for Drury so everything fits. I.e. single raise is up to a bad 8, 2♣ is average to good 8 or better. There is a lot more room after Drury than after a normal limit raise so a wider range is no problem.

 

I would bid these hands 1♠-2♣-2♥-2♠-3♠-4♠.

 

2♥ already suggests a game is possible and responder has nevertheless chosen 2♠ over that, so opener bidding on must have about the strength of the actual hand. And you want to give partner a chance to pass or bid 3NT if he has useless minor cards, e.g. Kxx Jx QJxx QJxx.

[hrothgar]

In interesting hand...

 

I don't particularly like the 2♣ bid. I think that a (natural) 2♦ bid is better, planning to show spade support afterwards.

I like the following auction

 

P - 1♠

2♦ - 2♥

3♠ - 4♠

 

 

Were the auction to start with Drury, I like

 

P - 1♠

2♣ - 2♥

3♦ - 4♠

 

I think that the North hand is very close to a game force following the limit raise, however, I think that a natural 2♥ rebid is a better description.

North doesn't much like Hearts, but now has the opportunity to show his own suit.

 

South now has an easy accept

[rhm]

I think 95+% of people think Drury shows a limit raise.

95% know little about this game.

 

Drury is an invitational raise but it can also be made on hands which are between a single raise and a limit raise.

The reason is simple: With Drury you do not have to commit to the 3 level.

The above hand is a good example.

If I were not a passed hand I would only raise to 2♠ and I am pretty sure if you would give this hand to a panel of experts most would do likewise.

(vulnerable at IMPs might be an exception, but this means you overbid and hope for some luck)

 

Rainer Herrmann

[shyams]

Does no one play fit jumps by passed hand?

 

I knew some people who'd bid 3♦ with North hand showing good ♦ suit with 3-card trump. In fact, I am currently writing some notes for my partnership where I have added this type of bid.

[hrothgar]

Does no one play fit jumps by passed hand?

 

I knew some people who'd bid 3♦ with North hand showing good ♦ suit with 3-card trump. In fact, I am currently writing some notes for my partnership where I have added this type of bid.

 

I think most people use fit jumps to show 5+ in the bid suit and 4+ in partners...

[the hog]

I think 99% of people believe that Drury shows a limit raise. Rainer is the remaining 1%

 

I would bid this way given Fluffy's question:

P 1S

2C 4S

 

Giving away as little information as possible.

[Bbradley62]

95% know little about this game.

 

Drury is an invitational raise but it can also be made on hands which are between a single raise and a limit raise.

The reason is simple: With Drury you do not have to commit to the 3 level.

The above hand is a good example.

If I were not a passed hand I would only raise to 2♠ and I am pretty sure if you would give this hand to a panel of experts most would do likewise.

(vulnerable at IMPs might be an exception, but this means you overbid and hope for some luck)

 

Rainer Herrmann

95% think you're not reading what we're writing. We have all agreed that the 2♣ bid stinks. However, we've been asked to enter the auction following the 2♣ bid and go from there.

 

I posted several links to document that the definition of Drury is a limit raise, including Larry Cohen's site, and you've simply said "no it isn't". If you and your friends choose to play that 2♣ is something else, that's fine, but you should stop calling it Drury, because it isn't.

 

And yes, the advantage of Drury is that you can stop at the 2-level with 11 opposite 11 instead of ending up at 3. But since opener is going to game opposite a limit raise, that isn't relevant here.

[gordontd]

I think most people use fit jumps to show 5+ in the bid suit and 4+ in partners...

I think that's true in general, but less certain in the case of a passed-hand jump (which use pre-dated the wider use of fit-bids). But in any case I think the sixth diamond and reasonable trump support make the fit-bid at least an option on this hand - it certainly seems better to me than hiding the diamond suit altogether.

[Fluffy]

I wonder, why nobody is starting with 1♠-2♣-2♦?. what does 2♦ mean for you?

 

To richard: do you play that 2♦ is 100% forcing?, I certainly don't, but I forgot to say this hand is played at match points.

[mike777]

I wonder, why nobody is starting with 1♠-2♣-2♦?. what does 2♦ mean for you?

 

To richard: do you play that 2♦ is 100% forcing?, I certainly don't, but I forgot to say this hand is played at match points.

 

 

I would just bid game, give up on slam and not give opp more information. Partner is a passed hand.