paulhar Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 Both vul at IMPS, you as South hold: ♠ 6 5 2♥ A K♦ Q 8 7 4♣ A K Q 5 West: 2S (weak)North: PassEast: 3SSouth: Your call? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 There is no good answer here, this is a nightmare hand. I'd double at the table, but perhaps simulations could show pass is better? Partner has spade shortness probably, and couldn't act immediately. This argues in favor of passing, but I think we have to protect here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 I know myself and I know I'd double, but won't be surprised if a simulation probes me wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kayin801 Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 X and I pass 4♥ by partner. Hopefully he has 5 or 6 of em. Not happy about it but oh well. If I want to try to play 5m then I would bid 4♠, but on a really good day partner bids a minor anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 Problem for me on this hand is not whether to pass or not. It is my second bid that worries me over 4♥ by partner if i start DBL. I am bidding 4 NT (hoping they didnt raise with 2 card fit only) and will say sorry to partner if he has x xxxx xxxx xxxx or things go bad. Who knows 5 minor may go down less than 4♥ with 4-2 fit. But i strongly believe we can make 5 minor if pd has a little more than just x xxxx xxxx xxxx with ♦ help. Downside to this will be when pd has 6♥ or 5♥ and 5 minor is not making. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 Partner is going to bid 4H with 1444, 14(35), 04xx, most of the time with 14(26) etc. Even if partner has 5 hearts he will get tapped. Doesn't seem that great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamford Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 Partner is going to bid 4H with 1444, 14(35), 04xx, most of the time with 14(26) etc. Even if partner has 5 hearts he will get tapped. Doesn't seem that great.At last some common sense. Those that are aware of the problems with double still do it any way. I pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 I pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 I am also going to pass. I am not happy abut it, however I think bidding is worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 I try 3NT expecting X. Now XX IS "PICK A MINOR". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 while no guarantee of success this option gives us our best overall chance of success. Opps preempt for a reason------this is one of them, hoping to get us into awkward bidding sequences. Pass might indeed result in a moderately bad minus score (in 4h) vs a small plus or small minus we will get from a pass. X has the potential to reach an otherwise unreachable game or even slam (I know how optimistic can one get) for a huge payoff. Risk vs reward seemsto lean toward risk with this hand so I choose x and have my SP frowny face all ready if it doesn't work (and hopefully they will say np p I would have done the same thing). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted February 23, 2011 Report Share Posted February 23, 2011 I don't like this opponents. I want to go home. :( yes pass, but then go home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulhar Posted March 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 Thanks to all that replied. When the hand was actually held, partner had a blizzard with six hearts so double would have won on this occasion (if you decided to sit for 4H.) The person who held the hand bid 4NT for a disaster. I personally don't think any of the three choices that got votes (pass, double, 4NT) are terrible. I chose pass since I have seen a lot of two-card raises. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jogs Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 I try 3NT expecting X. Now XX IS "PICK A MINOR". Why would they double? They should be happy to run the first 6 spade tricks undoubled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 Do any others out there see BIT, X: "I really don;t want to hear 4H."Verses in tempo X: "I have my 4xH?".This hand I kinda fancy 3NT, expecting X, now SOS XX asks minor.Or I go off 2-3 undoubled when partner doesn't insist his suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 Pass. This is one of those hands where we may have the hcp but can't make squat. We probably belong in 4 of a minor, but there's no way to get there. If pard dbls 3♠ we might get to game, but other than that we're just fixed. So stay fixed. Pass. Excellent hand for exercising judgement, by the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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