rduran1216 Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=s4hj987532d3ckt43&d=n&v=e&b=9&a=p1s]133|200[/hv] ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 2♥ for me. I know this can backfire, but I am not passing at these colors and I am not prepared to stick my head out any further without getting support from partner. I also expect to be on lead, not partner, if we defend. Rainer Herrmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 This is not the pedestrian 6-3-3-1. This is 7-4-1-1.! Even with the poor quality 7xH, 3H VUL; 4H nonvul.I'm very aggressive with good shape. Way tame if flattish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 I would try 3♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rduran1216 Posted February 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 i had the misfortune of playing this hand against the best pair in the room at a club game. I decided to bid 5H, which was doubled down 5. 6S is a laydown but only 2 out of 16 pairs were there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 5♥ is really bad, your bridge will become much better if you just avoid bids like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 4♥ looks right, especially against the best pair in the room. Don't give them enough space to exploit their superiority over the rest of the field, but don't bid so much that they know they can get a good result by doubling. Even if 4♥ is going for 800, they won't usually know that it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rduran1216 Posted February 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 4♥ looks right, especially against the best pair in the room. Don't give them enough space to exploit their superiority over the rest of the field, but don't bid so much that they know they can get a good result by doubling. Even if 4♥ is going for 800, they won't usually know that it is. had i bid 4H lho would bid 4nt and they would get to 6S. RHO had AJ10xx AQx AKxx xLHO had KQ7 xx J9xxx AQxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mbodell Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 Either the room isn't very good or LHO wouldn't have bid 4nt. A 12 point hand with only 3 card support for partner and 2-dead in the preempted suit? That neither screams force to the 5 level not that blackwood is going to be great. For that matter if lho bids 4nt as keycard rho almost has an immediate 7♠ call (surely partner must have 2+Q and either a stiff ♥ or ♥Kx to bid 4nt) and would certainly force there if lho confirms all the keycards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 LHO had an obvios 4♠ over 4♥. I would bid 3♥ only, but maybe I am just wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 3♥ for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 I'd bid 3♥, but 4 isn't unreasonable. 2 is absolutely ridiculous, you do realize you have a partner, right Rainer?! Misdescribing my hand AND not taking away much space from my opponents is always good. 5 is almost as bad, but I have a slight bit of sympathy for it, given that you assume you're trying to get a good board by swinging a bit, since the opponents will outplay you if left to their own devices. Regardless, I think 3 is normal, and 4 is aggressive but could easily work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kayin801 Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 Looks like a good place for a psyche to me, something like 1NT, maybe I can keep them low or make them bite on a X. If I were telling the truth I'd bid 4♥ but I know I'm crazy, if they find their way to slam after that wd opps, I tried my best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 Looks like a good place for a psyche to me, something like 1NT, maybe I can keep them low or make them bite on a X. If I were telling the truth I'd bid 4♥ but I know I'm crazy, if they find their way to slam after that wd opps, I tried my best.Does the fact that a psych never even occurred to me on this hand make me old? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kayin801 Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 Does the fact that a psych never even occurred to me on this hand make me old? Who are you and what have you done with mtvesuvius? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 (edited) I would bid 3H. I have a lot of sympathy for 4. Make the Hearts a bit better and certainly I would bid 4. 2H is poor as it totally overstates the strength of the hand; why lie to partner? (Hmm, did not even read the volcanic one's post before posting that comment).5H is putting all of your eggs into one basket. You are begging to get doubled. Edited February 21, 2011 by the hog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 You made an excellent bid, unlucky that you did not get a top! Thanks for posting and sharing it with us, I think we have all learned a valuable lesson here. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tolvyrj Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 Eau de Cologne...4711 and all 4 points though they r concentrate in my long suits; these r the places heros r made huh B-) .Im old so i wont psyche, after all only thing i could bid in that purpose is NT and all too often prd doubles or redoubles everything that moves, so ♥it is some ten years ago at 4 level now only 3. After that i concentrate to polish my nails or to my beer unless prd bid clubs.Best players in the club against u...well life is hell, why make it any worse than it already is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 If I bid 5♥ on a hand like this I wouldn't tell anyone. I think 3 is sufficient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 If I bid 5♥ on a hand like this I wouldn't tell anyone. I think 3 is sufficient. Did you do this yesterday? You didn't tell anyone then? ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 ***PSYCH*** That's why we have these discussions. Get those devious minds contributing.1S,1N pedestrian. 3C,2S there's the reputation story.! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 I'd bid 3♥, but 4 isn't unreasonable. 2 is absolutely ridiculous, you do realize you have a partner, right Rainer?! Misdescribing my hand AND not taking away much space from my opponents is always good. 5 is almost as bad, but I have a slight bit of sympathy for it, given that you assume you're trying to get a good board by swinging a bit, since the opponents will outplay you if left to their own devices. Regardless, I think 3 is normal, and 4 is aggressive but could easily work.First, I said "I know this can backfire". No need of reminding me of what I am aware of. Second, you seem to have overlooked that partner has already passed. So if anybody is likely to get deceived it is not that likely to be partner. I like predictable opponents. I try not be one and I always enjoy when opponents call the director and complain I do not have my bid. Third, most people here believe that preempting when outgunned is always the way to go. There are other views: Let me cite Michael Rosenberg from February,11th 2011 on a different forum: "You left out what I regard as the biggest "con" against this or any other preempt. You might give an opponent a "road map" to make a contract which they otherwise would not make. Also, I believe you underestimate how often opponents "find a lucky dummy" and get to a making contract which they otherwise would not reach. For example, when you open 3S with a heart void, the opponents get to 3N making when, had you passed, they would normally get to 4H - which fails on a bad break. You are biased in favor of preempts, with the mantra "preempts always work". I believe preempts SOMETIMES work." The fact that LHO has bid 1♠ makes a preempt not very effective. The best time is to preempt before opponents have bid and when you hold the boss suit. Fourth, there is no rule that the hand could not be a misfit. If they decide to double you with your jack empty high suit you may end up with very few tricks. I do not like to go for telephone numbers even at matchpoints. With this hand I want to know whether partner can support me. If not, I said I do not stick my head out. Could it be that 2♥ is not as ridiculous as it first looks compared to some of the other choices. Rainer Herrmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 Third, most people here believe that preempting when outgunned is always the way to go. There are other views: Let me cite Michael Rosenberg from February,11th 2011 on a different forum: I wonder why you did not include the link, people may wish to read the entire discussion. I can't interpret his views as being an endorsement of the ridiculous 2♥ overcall, a bid best reserved for the husbands in the husband-wife partnerships at the local duplicate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 I wonder why you did not include the link, people may wish to read the entire discussion. I can't interpret his views as being an endorsement of the ridiculous 2♥ overcall, a bid best reserved for the husbands in the husband-wife partnerships at the local duplicate.With all respect I never claimed that this is an endorsement for the 2♥ bid. l do not need such an endorsement and it was not intended as such. Before you should start to interpret you should start learning to read what is written instead of using other people comments only to bolster up your prejudices. I also include what I like. But when I cite somebody, I cite correctly and not out of context. Rainer Herrmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 I too am having trouble seeing how you think his quote is relevant to this discussion, unless you think that 2♥ is an "offbeat pre-empt"? Even if it doesn't mislead partner, what damage have you done? Not much. I know I like to be able to trust my partner not to overcall constructively with hands like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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