Bbradley62 Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 [hv=pc=n&w=s2hj973dkq843ct95&e=saq7h82dj6cakqj74&d=w&v=b&b=4&a=pp1np2cp2dppp]266|200[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 I voted no blame, since NS didn't seem to contribute much to the result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted February 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 I voted no blame, since NS didn't seem to contribute much to the result.Thank you. Got distracted in the middle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
relknes Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 All east... which apparently isn't an option. Why open 1NT with that hand? If that's part of their system, then I say the blame is eavenly divided for using such agreements! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 100% to both. Hate the 1NT opening with two low doubletons (which has an easy rebid of 3C after 1C) and I don't understand 2C stayman (unless it was Keri) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 Was West going to pass 2♠ also, after stayman? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted February 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 Was West going to pass 2♠ also, after stayman?West planned to bid 2NT over 2♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 Hate 1NT, if you want to show this hand as balanced it is too strong for 1NT, open 1♣ and rebid 2NT - even a 2NT opening has more upside than a 1NT opening.Hate Stayman - why am I trying to play in 2NT (or 3NT!) with this soft 6 count opposite a 15-17 NT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 East: I can understand an off-shape 1NT with ♣2 instead of ♣K. This is WAY too strong. Besides two small doubletons... West: This hand doesn't have a rebid after partner's likely 2♠ rebid. Stayman was NOT a good idea. As others said, N/S were not at fault *g Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 Agree with Gerben. Yuk, E W deserve each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 I can not see what West wanted to bid over 2♠. But maybe they had some agreements thereafter I do not know about. Anyway West is too strong wanting to play in ♦ opposite a strong notrump and is not strong enough to insist on game even if partner has ♥. So if somebody is to blame it is West. With regard to East I have some sympathy for his choice third in hand. These bids can backfire of course, but you do not win by always making the book bid. I like players who know the book bid, but also know when to deviate from them. Besides opening 1♣ will create rebid problems most of the time and anyway what is so terrible about 2♦? You are not down yet.I also beg to differ from Gerben. This hand is not in the 18-19 HCP notrump category. Sure you have playing tricks, but the opponents have the opening lead. Note, that the 1NT opening has kept opponents out of their nine card ♠ fit, where they might make game if the cards lie not too unfavorable for them. Rainer Herrmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 Blame the doctor, who let E/W out of the sanatory :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 and anyway what is so terrible about 2♦? You are not down yet. Rainer Herrmann I think 3NT would score better and probably as good a chance or better than 2D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 Thank you. Got distracted in the middle. Sorry, I know my humor doesn't contribute much... 1N is pretty bad. I would open 1♣ and rebid 2N. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted February 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 Sorry, I know my humor doesn't contribute much...Perfectly appropriate, and made me look back at the post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 Sorry, I know my humor doesn't contribute much... 1N is pretty bad. I would open 1♣ and rebid 2N.So holding ♠AQ7♥82♦J6♣AKQJ74 you would bid 2NT after 1♣--1♦ with 82 in ♥ ?1♣--1♥ with J6 in ♦ maybe just barely acceptable. 1♣--1♠ with 82 in ♥ and J6 in ♦ ? I think your humor does contribute. It is a funny one.Sorry I prefer a 1NT opening to this bidding. You have 2 low doubleton where you will need help from partner to be successful and 15-17 is about right on strength. You will normally need more than 6-7 random HCP to make 3NT. This can easily be proven by a simulation. It is just the severe rebid problems after 1♣, which makes the 1NT opening acceptable in my opinion. A 1NT opening will also make it much easier to reach ♠ and the right level when partner holds 5 mediocre cards in ♠. Rainer Herrmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted February 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 I would open 1♣ and rebid 2N.I prefer a 1NT opening to this bidding. So, with what hand would you open 1♣ then rebid 3♣ over 1♦or♥? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 Yeh, Rain, I prefer 1NT to rebidding 2NT on your auctions. But I think opening 1NT is wrong, too. Someone early on suggested 1C, then 3C (Andy) ---a bit heavy, but can live with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 Yeh, Rain, I prefer 1NT to rebidding 2NT on your auctions. But I think opening 1NT is wrong, too. Someone early on suggested 1C, then 3C (Andy) ---a bit heavy, but can live with it.Maybe, but if you jump to 3♣, you can easily miss 4♠ when partner is weak with ♠ and no direct raise would be right over 1♠. That is where a 1NT opening would score. Rainer Herrmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 So, with what hand would you open 1♣ then rebid 3♣ over 1♦or♥?And what do you do over 1♠? If I opened 1♣ I would rather jump raise ♠ than jump rebid ♣. But some would consider this heresy and most would not play a 3NT rebid by partner as natural over a jump raise. Rainer Herrmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 100 percent true, Rainman. But, against that, maybe pard can show five spades at the one-level if the guy in between overcalls 1♥. If pard is relatively weak with 5 spades, someone is going to help us out and maybe even allow a support double or something similar suggesting 3-card support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 Sorry, I know my humor doesn't contribute much... 1N is pretty bad. I would open 1♣ and rebid 2N. Well I think you are too weak systemically for 2NT and 3NT afterall that just promises a bunch of ♣ tricks plus some minor outside stuff oh wait that is what we have! We are probably stuck with either 3♣ or 3♠ over partner's 1♠ response however. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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