gurgistan Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 Can Standard American distinguish between 3 card and 4 card responder support of a 1M opener? Eric Rodwell says that it can. Can SAYC? I have several sets of notes on SAYC/SA and they do not mention any way of distinguishing between 3 card and 4 card support by responder of a 1M opener. Many thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manudude03 Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 Depends on the range. If it's game-forcing strength, then you have Jacoby 2NT available.If it's weaker, then you cannot determine it (unless you decide to play bergen raises or something). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 Standard American means different things to different people.... Some play that 1M-3M shows four-card support. Invites with three-card support would then start with a 2/1 bid and raise opener's major at the next turn. However, this is not the SAYC treatment. The SAYC document is specific that 1M-3M can be either three or four-card support. This obviously is a disadvantage on invitational hands (although perhaps not as big of one as people think, since it does also help opponents on lead to know the degree of support). In SAYC, a 2/1 bid followed by raising the major (to the three-level, not a simple preference) shows a game force with three-card support, whereas a game-force with four-card support goes through 2NT. This allows you to distinguish on the GF hands, which is arguably more important. It also gives you a sensible way to bid game forces with three-card support, which the version of "Standard American" above really can't, since after 1M-2x-2y both 2M (preference) and 3M (invite) would be non-forcing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurpoa Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 Can Standard American distinguish between 3 card and 4 card responder support of a 1M opener? Eric Rodwell says that it can. Can SAYC? I have several sets of notes on SAYC/SA and they do not mention any way of distinguishing between 3 card and 4 card support by responder of a 1M opener. Many thanks. Never doubt Mr Eric Rodwell !!!But are you sure, you read well....and understand it correctly ?What did he write exactly ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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