jillybean Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 Hi, we play 2wgt where 1M:2M2M+1 asks partner in which suit she would accept a gt and 1M:2M3x is a short suit game try. So in this sequence 1♥:2♥2♠ responders options are 2N - I would accept a gt in spades3♣ - accepting a gt in clubs3♦ - accepting a gt in diamonds3♥ - I would not accept a game try in any suit3♠ - ? Does anyone have any creative meaning for 3♠? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 Suggestion to play 3NT from opener's side - probably maximum with any 4333 shape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
relknes Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 You could play it as looking for a better fit in spades (ie. responder has 3 hearts and 5+ spades, and a maximum for their 2♥ response). This would seem to be a fairly natural meaning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 You could play it as looking for a better fit in spades (ie. responder has 3 hearts and 5+ spades, and a maximum for their 2♥ response). This would seem to be a fairly natural meaning. yep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 Hi, we play 2wgt where 1M:2M2M+1 asks partner in which suit she would accept a gt and 1M:2M3x is a short suit game try. So in this sequence 1♥:2♥2♠ responders options are 2N - I would accept a gt in spades3♣ - accepting a gt in clubs3♦ - accepting a gt in diamonds3♥ - I would not accept a game try in any suit3♠ - ? Does anyone have any creative meaning for 3♠? This is really way out there but how about 3s=4 card support in spades? Just joking this should be lol...easy......3s is just 4 spades.. random cuebids or other random bids is insane! Too be honest I cannot believe these other answers... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siegmund Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 All the bids from 3S upwards are SOME kind of "accepting all game tries" bids. Just a question of what further refinement you'd like to add. In the absence of discussion, I would assume 3NT was an offer to play 3NT instead of 4M, 3S/4m cuebids in case opener had a slam try instead of a game try, and 4M to play. Lots of other (and probably better) agreements are possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted February 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 This is really way out there but how about 3s=4 card support in spades? Just joking this should be lol...easy......3s is just 4 spades.. random cuebids or other random bids is insane! Too be honest I cannot believe these other answers... How does "3s is just 4 spades" add anything useful to this auction? We have the 2N bid to accept a game try in spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted February 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 Lots of other (and probably better) agreements are possible.That is what I was hoping for :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 How does "3s is just 4 spades" add anything useful to this auction? We have the 2N bid to accept a game try in spades. so? per your comments....2nt is very very =confusing per your comments I mean you can hope for alot but still.....3s over 2s is really basic...not hope I mean to hope that 3s means many many others is just too confusing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 I play something similar, just showing values after the 2M+1 relay. We use 3M as denying any useful values in any sidesuit, which usually means a good trump suit. Easy example AKQ-32-5432-5432. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 So how do you make a short-suit GT in ♠ ? 1♥ - 2♥?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manudude03 Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 So how do you make a short-suit GT in ♠ ? 1♥ - 2♥?? 2NT presumably. I usually like to play it the other way round though (and invert 2S and 2NT) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 So how do you make a short-suit GT in ♠ ? 1♥ - 2♥??These days with a ♥ fit all usual meanings of ♠ and NT are reversed:...-2♥-2♠ = relay...-2♥-2NT = SST ♠ ...-3♥-3♠ = serious or frivolous...-3♥-3NT = ♠ control ...-4♥-4♠ = Kickback RKC...-4♥-4NT = control ♠ or voidwood ♠ ...-5♥-5♠ = King ask...-5♥-5NT = something like 3rd round control ask ♠, depending on the situation B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 How does "3s is just 4 spades" add anything useful to this auction? We have the 2N bid to accept a game try in spades.2NT just show that you would accept a game try in spades, while not specifying whether you would accept other game tries, also not specifying spade length (you could have Kx, AQx, and so on), 3♠ shows that you would accept any game try and shows spade length, therefore allowing your partnership to play in spades as well as hearts, and also he knows you have a maximum hand if he is interested in slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted February 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 2NT just show that you would accept a game try in spades, while not specifying whether you would accept other game tries, also not specifying spade length (you could have Kx, AQx, and so on), 3♠ shows that you would accept any game try and shows spade length, therefore allowing your partnership to play in spades as well as hearts, and also he knows you have a maximum hand if he is interested in slam. 3S accepting any game try, showing spade length and a fit for partners first suit sounds slammish and would be a request for partner to cue?Could you give me an example of a hand that would bid this way after raising partners 1H to 2H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 AKxx Qxx xx xxxx I suppose. 3♠ just shows four spades in case partner has four. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted February 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 AKxx Qxx xx xxxx I suppose. 3♠ just shows four spades in case partner has four. I'm confused. Wouldn't this hand bid 2N/2S, accepting a game try in spades? I'm not accepting any game try with this hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 I am :) it's a chunky maximum. Anyway, two options-if you can think of a hand that accepts any game try, then you can also probably think of such a hand with 4 spades (perhaps you can only think of such a hand if it has a 5 card suit - in this case maybe 3S should show a 5 card spade suit)-if you can't think of a hand that accepts any game try, then 3S is an impossible bid - you should not bid higher than 3H if you can't accept all game tries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 This is really way out there but how about 3s=4 card support in spades? Just joking this should be lol...easy......3s is just 4 spades.. random cuebids or other random bids is insane! Too be honest I cannot believe these other answers...We were asked for creative meanings, not the meaning we would assume undiscussed. I like an immediate 4♦ by responder after any game try as an accept with four cards in the other major. Using it after both 1♥ and 1♠ and after both a first step game try and a short suit try makes it easier to remember. It doesn't deal with the case where you wish to accept only if there is a fit in the other major. But it is hard to squeeze that into a two way game try structure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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