Bbradley62 Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 Thank you[hv=pc=n&s=s96h432d72cakqt94]133|100[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 2♣ wtp... I'll pretend I had another jack if someone asks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted February 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 2♣ wtp... I'll pretend I had another jack if someone asks.You are assuming inverted minors in an individual event? Wouldn't those tournies usually presume SAYC, which does not include inverted minors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 I'm assuming decent bridge, yes. I hate problems where "Partner is clueless, what can you do get to the right spot without any input from partner at all?" This hand is why inverted minors were invented, if I couldn't bid 2♣ I'd bid 1♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 You are assuming inverted minors in an individual event? Wouldn't those tournies usually presume SAYC, which does not include inverted minors? Oh, its an indy... I tried an indy once, but I found the bridge and the people pathetic. It is an odd mix of people - most are seemingly waiting to die. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 You are assuming inverted minors in an individual event?Oh, I didn't notice this either. Probably 3NT then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted February 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 I'm assuming decent bridge, yes. I hate problems where "Partner is clueless, what can you do get to the right spot without any input from partner at all?" This hand is why inverted minors were invented, if I couldn't bid 2♣ I'd bid 1♥.There's no need for your snarky attitude. Many players play SAYC, and it's the default understanding in many individual events, which the poll question indicates this is. If you hate problems that specify conditions under which you would not play, then you should refrain from responding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 I really don't get the point of this thread though, if you play Inverted Minors it's a clear 2♣, if you don't play them it's a clear 3♣, if you are spiting or masterminding it's a clear 1♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted February 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 This board is from a 78-table individual. The vast majority of Easts (reasonably) bid with KJxx, AKJ, xxxxxx, -; therefore, only four Souths faced this decision. Those four Souths made four different bids (none of which was 1♥), so I wanted to see what other people would have done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 Indi or not, 2♣ wtp. If partner doesn't play inverted minors, he might agree that this hand is worth 6-9HCP... :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 Indi or not, 2♣ wtp. If partner doesn't play inverted minors, he might agree that this hand is worth 6-9HCP... :lol:I'm not sure I see the connection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 inverted minors is an 'agreement" in any system, commonly called a convention, just like jacoby, or a bergen raise. To say it is not part of sayc is a bit off the mark. 2C or 3C would need to be your response, unless of course you wanted to get that H bid in there :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 inverted minors is an 'agreement" in any system, commonly called a convention, just like jacoby, or a bergen raise. To say it is not part of sayc is a bit off the mark. 2C or 3C would need to be your response, unless of course you wanted to get that H bid in there :PInverted minors is probably not on the standard system card used for the event. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 If it is defined as a "SAYC game", then according to the ACBL's SAYC booklet, there are only five choices to make ---and they all involve defensive carding and signals. The booklet was published in 2003, and I don't see any revisions. I understand the SAYC convention card is often used as a base system, and in some events limited changes are allowed. Making an Indy an SAYC game is a great idea, and no alerts are even required. But "indy" does not imply it is really an SAYC game, unless specifically stated in the conditions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 I also agree that it is 2♣ if playing inverted minors and 3♣ if playing that as our limit raise. The separate question is "what would you bid if all you knew was it was an indy tournament with such and such conditions." In the latter case, we are dealing with probabilities that partner will understand and the error if partner assumes the wrong thing. In that case, I think 2♣ is safer, since 2♣ as a single raise when 3♣ is limit is less of a distortion than bidding 3♣ as a preemptive raise when 2♣ is inverted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted February 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 Thank you all for the input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 2C or 3C, depending on whether you play inverted minor or not. 3N is another option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurpoa Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 Playing SAYC: 3♣Playing BWS200 (includes, inverted minors: 2♣. 3NT cannot be far away, hopefully, P can rebid NT... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jh51 Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 My partner recently had a related, but simpler, situation. I opened her 6 card major! Her hand was somewhat weak otherwise, so she bid 4 and I made 5, losing just the 2 aces we were missing. I expected an average board in a 3 table game, but it was a zero. One pair was in 2 doubled, and Somone failed to cash their aces at the remaining table. (Had they not cashed both aces, I can take 12 tricks.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorneg Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 2c if you use inverted minors (must be alerted if you use SAYC).3c if standard SAYC . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 2c if you use inverted minors (must be alerted).3c if SAYC, or any other style which doesn't use inverted minors. FYP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 3N is ridiculous, we have a limit raise and we have no stoppers in any suit... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 You are assuming inverted minors in an individual event? Wouldn't those tournies usually presume SAYC, which does not include inverted minors? If we play inverted minors 2♣, if not then 3♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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