Phil Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 A sequence: [hv=d=e&v=0&b=14&a=1hp1sdr(3%20card%20support)2c]133|100[/hv] Is 2♣ simply a preference between ♣ / ♦ or does it show some values? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 I play that it's simply a preference, not sure what's best though. Pass would show equal length. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 Never really thought about what's best, but for me this is preference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlson Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 Preference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 Preference and pass would be penalty. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 (edited) Preference (edit: either four clubs or a 2-card preference), because responder has to be able to insist on clubs, and we also have to be able to bid sensibly with 5=4 opposite 3-3 or 2=3. Edit: Pass would be no more than a 1-card preference. Edited February 9, 2011 by gnasher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 Preference and pass would be penalty. :) I knew you'd say that heh. However, is it really likely partner is trapping into a 7 card fit when they didn't overcall 1♠? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 I knew you'd say that heh. However, is it really likely partner is trapping into a 7 card fit when they didn't overcall 1♠? It's happened before, against Meckstroth and Rodwell no less. :P Perhaps it depends on how likely opponents are to really have a seven-card fit. I've seen the 1♠ psych plenty of times in this auction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 It's happened before, against Meckstroth and Rodwell no less. :P Perhaps it depends on how likely opponents are to really have a seven-card fit. I've seen the 1♠ psych plenty of times in this auction.I don't get that. How will the spades be distributed around the table? Going counterclockwise, I can see 3 with opener for the support XX, 1-3 with the doubler and then a psyche by responder on 0-2 spades. That leaves 5-9 spades in the direct position, that needs to bid now. With a hand like that, I would certainly like to pass for penalty, but odds are that I won't have a hand like that since I would have (jump) overcalled over 1♥. Why would you reserve a bid to expose a psyche (a rare thing anyway) in a situation where the "suspected psyche" can't really be a psyche? Rik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 A sequence: [hv=d=e&v=0&b=14&a=1hp1sdr(3%20card%20support)2c]133|100[/hv] Is 2♣ simply a preference between ♣ / ♦ or does it show some values?I play:2♣/♦: Preference and weak ("I don't want to be in this auction, but you forced me to.")Pass: either no preference (Pass whatever partner picks) or constructive (make a voluntary bid). This follows from our general agreements after an opponent redoubles. Changing our agreement just because their redouble was conventional or showed a degree of fit is too complicated for me. :P Rik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlson Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 I don't get that. How will the spades be distributed around the table? Going counterclockwise, I can see 3 with opener for the support XX, 1-3 with the doubler and then a psyche by responder on 0-2 spades. That leaves 5-9 spades in the direct position, that needs to bid now. With a hand like that, I would certainly like to pass for penalty, but odds are that I won't have a hand like that since I would have (jump) overcalled over 1♥. Why would you reserve a bid to expose a psyche (a rare thing anyway) in a situation where the "suspected psyche" can't really be a psyche? Rik I would guess this is a hand with 3-4 good spades and a heart stack? Lead trumps please partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 I don't get that. How will the spades be distributed around the table? Going counterclockwise, I can see 3 with opener for the support XX, 1-3 with the doubler and then a psyche by responder on 0-2 spades. That leaves 5-9 spades in the direct position, that needs to bid now. With a hand like that, I would certainly like to pass for penalty, but odds are that I won't have a hand like that since I would have (jump) overcalled over 1♥. Why would you reserve a bid to expose a psyche (a rare thing anyway) in a situation where the "suspected psyche" can't really be a psyche? RikI would guess this is a hand with 3-4 good spades and a heart stack? Lead trumps please partner.I think that playing pass as "penalty pass of hearts, with spades" is reasonable. Playing pass as "exposing a psyche" is not. If you wanted to expose the spade psyche on your left, you could have done so by bidding spades before it was LHO turn to call. Rik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 as very often in realworld I think the question is...."what is the question?" note here there are about 5 or more questions/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 Usually there are two schools 1.pass = let it be2m = my choice 2.pass = you choose2m = really prefer this Since #1 is inconsitant with pass the previous round, #2 is the logical choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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