humilities Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=sk2h2dkq2ckqt9532&d=n&v=n&b=5&a=1d2h3c3hpp]133|200|IMPS[/hv] Is 4♣ 100% forcing? How about 4♦? I assume 4NT pick a minor? Maybe this problem is very easy but I'm curious to hear any opinions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=sk2h2dkq2ckqt9532&d=n&v=n&b=5&a=1d2h3c3hpp]133|200|IMPS[/hv] Is 4♣ 100% forcing? How about 4♦? I assume 4NT pick a minor? Maybe this problem is very easy but I'm curious to hear any opinions. You don't think 3♠ shows a ♠ suit I hope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
humilities Posted February 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 You don't think 3♠ shows a ♠ suit I hope Presumably 3♠ is an attempt to get to 3NT but it doesn't seem likely that it's the best spot. 4♣ seems like the natural bid but with a pickup partner I'm wondering if there is any doubt that it is forcing. Double also seems very possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 4♣ and 4♦ are definitely forcing, 3♣ should be GF IMO. I'd double here though, leaving 3N in the picture along with both minors... I don't think partner should ever be passing at these colours... Not sure if that's standard or even logical, but I just can't see how partner would pass at R/W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 we are in GF situation and partner would have already bid 3NT if it was the contract we wanted to play. Therefore I just bid my hand, 4♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 4♣ nf, 4♦ GF. i'd bid 4NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 4C and 4D are game forcing, however I think 4C is the better bid here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 echo the above (because I think already 3♣ should be GF), although I wouldn't be too sure pard is on the same wavelentgh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurpoa Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 Playing BWS2001. Not so so sure 4♣ is game force. It should not be - I also like to show a competitive hand with good ♣.4♦ smells much more as GF: good hand, at least 3♦. On this hand I will bid 4♦. If partner bid 4♥, I will bid 5♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 "It should not be - I also like to show a competitive hand with good ♣.4♦ smells much more as GF: good hand, at least 3♦." This is inconsistent and illogical. Both 4C/D should have the same meanings of course - gf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurpoa Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 "It should not be - I also like to show a competitive hand with good ♣.4♦ smells much more as GF: good hand, at least 3♦." This is inconsistent and illogical. Both 4C/D should have the same meanings of course - gf. Sorry, could you explain ?From my point of view 4♦ is a delayed support: why did I first bid ♣, if if was not that I am too strong for a 3♦ bid. I guess you even could play this as limit.... but I wouldn't dare to pass this with an occasional partner.On the other side4♣: partner, I have a reasonable hand with long ♣....and (depending on what a 3♠bid would mean in your system): I do not like an NT contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_dude Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 Sorry, could you explain ?From my point of view 4♦ is a delayed support: why did I first bid ♣, if if was not that I am too strong for a 3♦ bid. I guess you even could play this as limit.... but I wouldn't dare to pass this with an occasional partner.On the other side4♣: partner, I have a reasonable hand with long ♣....and (depending on what a 3♠bid would mean in your system): I do not like an NT contract. In my opinion, it's a question of frequency. Which hands come up more often .. the ones where 4minor is the exact perfect contract ... or hands where you have a big hand and need to force the bidding. Seems to me that we should be catering to the more frequent game and slam hands rather than hands where we want to play in specifically 4minor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cicus Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=sk2h2dkq2ckqt9532&d=n&v=n&b=5&a=1d2h3c3hpp]133|200|IMPS[/hv] Is 4♣ 100% forcing? How about 4♦? I assume 4NT pick a minor? Maybe this problem is very easy but I'm curious to hear any opinions. 4♣ or 4♦ is not forcing here. I'd bid 4♥ or simply 5♣. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurpoa Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 In my opinion, it's a question of frequency. Which hands come up more often .. the ones where 4minor is the exact perfect contract ... or hands where you have a big hand and need to force the bidding. Seems to me that we should be catering to the more frequent game and slam hands rather than hands where we want to play in specifically 4minor. That is a very good point you are making there.Yes, it is a matter of bidding style.Make sure you and partner have the same understandings ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 In my opinion, it's a question of frequency. Which hands come up more often .. the ones where 4minor is the exact perfect contract ... or hands where you have a big hand and need to force the bidding. Seems to me that we should be catering to the more frequent game and slam hands rather than hands where we want to play in specifically 4minor. Yes stopping on 4m is like stopping on sixpence. You are far better off using these as forcing, as every single player I know does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 If I read this discussion correctly then it seems like some people (the hog, the_dude) are suggesting that 4C should generally be forcing. If that is their intention, I disagree. It seems very important to be able to be able to bid a NF 4C or 4D in competition. To my mind the only reason that 4C is forcing here is that 3C is GF. For example, in the auction 1D - (1H) - 2C - (3H) - .. I think that 4C should absolutely be NF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_dude Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 If I read this discussion correctly then it seems like some people (the hog, the_dude) are suggesting that 4C should generally be forcing. If that is their intention, I disagree. It seems very important to be able to be able to bid a NF 4C or 4D in competition. To my mind the only reason that 4C is forcing here is that 3C is GF. For example, in the auction 1D - (1H) - 2C - (3H) - .. I think that 4C should absolutely be NF. That is absolutely my reasoning. You second auction is trickier for sure, I see merit in both forcing and NF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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