16hcp and opps open 1N

[jillybean]

IMP V vs. N

 

(1N) to you

 

Q6, T72, AKQ93, KQ7

[mtvesuvius]

I'd pass, happy to defend, not much else to do.

 

If someone wanted to bid though, it would help to know our NT defense :)

[the hog]

Pass. Nothing else is reasonable.

[jillybean]

I'd pass, happy to defend, not much else to do.

 

If someone wanted to bid though, it would help to know our NT defense :)

You can use any gadget :)

[nigel_k]

The strength is minimum but ok for double. However they probably have a major fit somewhere and are more likely to stay in 1NT if I pass than if I double. I would rather try to defeat 1NT than defend two of a major or compete at the three level. If you switched the diamonds and spades I would double.

[pooltuna]

IMP V vs. N

 

(1N) to you

 

Q6, T72, AKQ93, KQ7

 

yeah this is high risk territory so you would probably normally only X if they were playing some weak NT version. Versus the strong NT the GUOG principle pretty much applies. At least with this hand you know what you are going to lead even if LHO transfers and they play in a suit.

[jillybean]

yeah this is high risk territory so you would probably normally only X if they were playing some weak NT version. Versus the strong NT the GUOG principle pretty much applies. At least with this hand you know what you are going to lead even if LHO transfers and they play in a suit.

 

And what is the GUOG principle?

[han]

Do not feed the fish!

 

(From context I would guess "Give Up On Game")

[Fluffy]

you have to pass quickly this situations, it doens't matter how strong you are, you have to pass your 20 counts also. Only of partner reopens with a long suit you can make game.

[pooltuna]

Do not feed the fish!

 

(From context I would guess "Give Up On Game")

 

 

This is correct

[Gerben42]

Pass. To make a game after opponent's strong NT you need a fit, preferably in a major, and usually more than just 8 cards. If partner cannot balance, we'll be fine.

 

In other news, give up the "penalty" or "points" meaning of double after strong NT. If you play something like Capp. or Multi Landy, a common agreement is Dbl = 4major + 5+minor. As this is rather complicated, I would suggest playing Dbl as 4♠ + 5+minor

 

Further bidding:

 

1NT dbl Pass ?

 

2♣: pass or correct

2♦: pass or correct

2♥: 6+♥, constructive not forcing

2♠: To play

2NT: asking for minor and strength, forcing

[ggwhiz]

I can double to show a 1 suiter that prefers to play for penalty. Pard can duck out with 2♣ and then I can park it in 2♦.

 

That said, at IMPS and this vul I PASS. I'll eat the small losses and avoid a disaster. At Matchpoints I'm sorely tempted depending on state of the match and my mood.

[phil_20686]

strongly beleive you should pass with balanced hands over a strong nt opening. Beleive it so much i carefully edited my NT defence so these hands must pass. :)

[ArtK78]

Pass.

[JLOGIC]

I find this to be an easy double. I do not understand the concept of passing with up to 20, or with "we cannot make game if partner can't balance, so pass."

 

To me we have a good lead vs 1N X if we end up defending there, and given our balanced hand we can often make a partscore if partner has a long suit and a weak hand (which apparently he can't bid on if we pass since we are going to bid GAME). Double will sometimes get us a good penalty, and often encourage partner to bid on hands where we can make a partscore. And sometimes the opps have opened a shady 1N w/r and we can bid our game if we have it (unlikely, but them having a game is unlikely also and I'm not sure why that's the relevant factor).

[jh51]

Colchimano's rule of 8 says pass. (I probably spelled his name wrong.)

 

The rule of 8 says that you bid in the immediate seat only if you have at least 6 HCP and at least 2 distributional points. This hand lacks the distributional points.

 

In the pass out seat, he has a different rule - the rule of 2. You reopen only if you have at least 2 distributional points. High card points don't matter. In fact, high card points are a bit of a detriment. (How many finesses into the no trump bidder do you really expect to work?) Your side has about 20 HCP (technically, about 19.5) If you are weak, partner will have a strongish balanced hand. If you are distributional, you are likely to have a fit.

[ArtK78]

Colchimano's rule of 8 says pass. (I probably spelled his name wrong.)

 

The rule of 8 says that you bid in the immediate seat only if you have at least 6 HCP and at least 2 distributional points. This hand lacks the distributional points.

 

 

So, if you had, for example,

 

AKQ

AKQ

AKQ

AKQJ

 

You would have to pass?

 

(with all due respect to Mel)

[phil_20686]

I might fancy my chances in 7N.

[jh51]

So, if you had, for example,

 

AKQ

AKQ

AKQ

AKQJ

 

You would have to pass?

 

(with all due respect to Mel)

 

Then clearly your opponent psyched his 1NT bid. Rules never override judgement.

[jillybean]

rules of 8!, 2 and 3,5,7, 9, 10, 11, 17, 15, 20, rule of X plus 1, rule of Boston (bottom of stuff, top of nothing), No Lurker Rule (allows one to clarify the number of outstanding trump by pulling an extra round in which both opponents fail to follow) .... :blink:

What ever happened to bidding judgement.

[jillybean]

rules of 8!, 2 and 3,5,7, 9, 10, 11, 17, 15, 20, rule of X plus 1, rule of Boston (bottom of stuff, top of nothing).... :blink:

What ever happened to bidding judgement.

[mtvesuvius]

rules of 8!, 2 and 3,5,7, 9, 10, 11, 17, 15, 20, rule of X plus 1, rule of Boston (bottom of stuff, top of nothing).... :blink:

What ever happened to bidding judgement.

OK, I give this post as many upvotes as legally possible. Well said Kathryn.

 

EDIT: Don't forget the rules of 22 and 1100.

[JLOGIC]

Rule of 12 goes with the rule of 10 AFAIK

[jh51]

The late Dave Treadwell once mentioned the rule of 160: If the ages of your opponents total more than 160, do not underestimate them.

 

(I might add that this is especially true if these are short people of the feminine gender.) :lol:

[tolvyrj]

They`ll learn, through tears and agony like the rest of us ;) . Reading books is good for u soul, just dont believe everything they say :D .