Free Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 [hv=pc=n&n=sat9764ha6da4cq52&d=e&v=0&b=14&a=ppp1s2d4d(Splinter)d]133|200[/hv] Your call? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 At our table the bidding started:Pass-1♠3♦-3♥4♦-??- 3♦=10-11 with an unknown shortage- 3♥=asks- 4♦=singleton ♦(I don't think that opps did bid at our table). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manudude03 Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 I'm signing off, will apologise if partner has Kxxx xxxx x AKxx. ps. kgr, why do you need a 4th step when there are only 3 possible singletons? One of them showing a void? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 I'm signing off, will apologise if partner has Kxxx xxxx x AKxx. ps. kgr, why do you need a 4th step when there are only 3 possible singletons? One of them showing a void?Yes; after 3♥ inquiry the 3♠ bid is showing a void and 3NT then asks the void. EDIT: I think that 4H asks a Club control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 4S - move the Ace of diamonds to another suit, and I would make another try. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurpoa Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 [hv=pc=n&n=sat9764ha6da4cq52&d=e&v=0&b=14&a=ppp1s2d4d(Splinter)d]133|200[/hv] Your call? Bidding 4♠ in this situation would show an absolute minimum 1♠ opening, probably with wasted values in ♦.And with this hand, I surely want to help P in his search for slam. Rdble after this sequence cannot be a suggestion to play 4♦XX: it is showing a control in ♦ and in light of P's single (or void) it is the Ace.4♥, would deny first round control in ♦ and show a 1st or 2nd round control in H. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 At our table the bidding started:Pass-1♠3♦-3♥4♦-??- 3♦=10-11 with an unknown shortage- 3♥=asks- 4♦=singleton ♦(I don't think that opps did bid at our table).And the bidding continued:Pass-1♠3♦-3♥4♦-4♥5♣-6♠- For me 4♥ asked a ♣ control- I think that 4♥ followed by 5♠ (iso 6♠) is describing this hand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 [hv=pc=n&n=sat9764ha6da4cq52&d=e&v=0&b=14&a=ppp1s2d4d(Splinter)d]133|200[/hv] Your call?Assuming no trick loss in Trumps, you can make the XX after the X of partner's 4D! splinter..... showing the ACE. Then if partner cuebids 4♥,you could then make the 5-of-trump bid ( 5S! ) asking for the Cl Ctrl ( the unbid suit ). With no Ht Ctrl bid by partner, then sign-off in 4S. Slam possibility with:K x x x, K x x x, x, K J x x or good chances even with:Q x x x, K Q x x, x, K x x x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 4♥. Cue bid not last train. I don't use last train when we have the whole five level still available. This gives partner a chance to bid on if his hand is really good and I prefer it to redouble because I mainly care about a club control and how good partner's hand is. If I redouble and partner has no heart control he will nearly always bid 4♠, e.g. Kxxx xxxx x AKxx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 or good chances even with:Q x x x, K Q x x, x, K x x x :) Its indeed a very good hand with 14 hcp, 3 aces and 6 card trump. But those who are adventurous about this slam has to find pd with Kxxx ♠ or less in order to have a shot at it. If pd has KQJx KQxx ♠ slam is very unlikely. In general i dont like my ♦ shortness vs a stiff. I can ruff only 1♦. I would probably be more ambitious if i had Axx ♦ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 Sorry but I think people envisioning slam are having a pipe dream. We need Kxxx♠ from partner, plus club fillers and a working 11 count with a stiff I expect partner to have opened the bidding with. I think this is an easy 4♠ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 4♥. Cue bid not last train. I don't use last train when we have the whole five level still available. This gives partner a chance to bid on if his hand is really good and I prefer it to redouble because I mainly care about a club control and how good partner's hand is. If I redouble and partner has no heart control he will nearly always bid 4♠, e.g. Kxxx xxxx x AKxx.Then 4♥ asks a ♣ control. Do you think that partner should always bid 5♣ over it with ♣A (and with ♣K)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurpoa Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 Did not notice that 4♦ is on a passed hand. No, have to agree that slam is far away, P need too much for his 11H.N, no adventure: 4♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted February 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 Suppose you RDbl, how would you interpret the following bids from partner, and how would you continue?- 4♥ = ? (last train agreed)- 4♠ = ?- 5♣ = ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 At our table the bidding started:Pass-1♠3♦-3♥4♦-??- 3♦=10-11 with an unknown shortage- 3♥=asks- 4♦=singleton ♦(I don't think that opps did bid at our table).If you understand each other then that's the most important, but having no meaning for 3NT over 3♥is bad space consuming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 At our table the bidding started:Pass-1♠3♦-3♥4♦-??- 3♦=10-11 with an unknown shortage- 3♥=asks- 4♦=singleton ♦(I don't think that opps did bid at our table).If you understand each other then that's the most important, but having no meaning for 3NT over 3♥is bad space consuming.After 3♥:3♠=void => 3NT asks which void3NT=singleton other Major4♣/4♦=singleton ♣/♦PS: Is it possible to do this nested quoting without manipulating the post (copy/past from other post) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 Then 4♥ asks a ♣ control. Do you think that partner should always bid 5♣ over it with ♣A (and with ♣K)?No. If I only need a club control and nothing else I can try one more time. Partner should continue with a suitable hand, whatever he thinks that is. An ace and two kings would certainly qualify. Something like KQxx QJxx x Kxxx would not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted February 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 If you understand each other then that's the most important, but having no meaning for 3NT over 3♥is bad space consuming.3NT is ♥ shortness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted February 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 Suppose you RDbl, how would you interpret the following bids from partner, and how would you continue?- 4♥ = ? (last train agreed)- 4♠ = ?- 5♣ = ?Anyone care to respond to these questions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 Suppose you RDbl, how would you interpret the following bids from partner, and how would you continue?- 4♥ = ? (last train agreed)- 4♠ = ?- 5♣ = ?4♥=control (I don't play last train if the hand rather good defined)4♠=No ♥-control5♣=No ♥-control; extra's. (Eg ♠K and ♣AK) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kayin801 Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 I would cooperate and XX. I don't think partner can ever bid RKC since they've so narrowly defined their hand, they can either bid 4♥ or 4♠ to show a good or bad hand. 4♥ here shouldn't definitely be about hearts I don't think. Heck, partner could have a lot of hands with 5 (or more) spades too, xxxxx, Kxxxx, x, Ax or something like that, there's nothing that says he only has 4 spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted February 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 5♣=No ♥-control; extra's. (Eg ♠K and ♣AK)Why ♣AK? Isn't ♣A enough when we show extra's? Opener already showed slam interest by redoubling. Can you have something like Kxxx-QJxx-x-Axxx (or even 5 ♠s) for example? 5-level is safe, but you just want to deny a ♥ control and show a ♣ control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 Why ♣AK? Isn't ♣A enough when we show extra's? Opener already showed slam interest by redoubling. Can you have something like Kxxx-QJxx-x-Axxx (or even 5 ♠s) for example? 5-level is safe, but you just want to deny a ♥ control and show a ♣ control.Maybe I'm too much influenced by the actual hand (which I think is not enough to encourage partner too much and bid 5♣) and maybe you are tight that the hand you show is good enough to bid 5♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 [hv=pc=n&n=sat9764ha6da4cq52&d=e&v=0&b=14&a=ppp1s2d4d(Splinter)d]133|200[/hv] Your call? Is partner allowed to hold ♠Kxxxx♥Kxx♦x♣KJxx oh wait that is an opening hand now-a-days! :) You are allowed to be a human being, call XX and over 4♠ call 5♦! edited after I read the voting options Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 Is partner allowed to hold ♠Kxxxx♥Kxx♦x♣KJxx oh wait that is an opening hand now-a-days! :) You are allowed to be a human being, call XX and over 4♠ call 5♦! edited after I read the voting options Yes pd is allowed to hold this, but it is a hand of wish, a wish where KJ ♣ is more valuable than ♣A, a wish where pd holding bad trumps is more valuable than holding good ones. He is also allowed to hold; KQxxKQxxxTxxx KJxxQxxxxAxxx KQJxJTxxxKxxx QJxxKxxxAxxxx When he lays down these hands, we still have play at 5 level, regardless how good or bad our chances are to make, wouldnt u prefer to be in 4 ? In order to make an adventurous move to 5 level here, one must believe the hands that makes slam are more enough than the hands that risks the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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