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  1. 1. What now?

    • RDbl (1st round control)
      16
    • Pass (waiting)
      1
    • 4H (last train - what does it mean here?)
      6
    • 4S (signoff)
      12
    • 4NT (RKC)
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    • something else - please explain
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I'm signing off, will apologise if partner has Kxxx xxxx x AKxx.

 

ps. kgr, why do you need a 4th step when there are only 3 possible singletons? One of them showing a void?

Yes; after 3 inquiry the 3 bid is showing a void and 3NT then asks the void.

 

EDIT: I think that 4H asks a Club control.

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Your call?

 

 

Bidding 4 in this situation would show an absolute minimum 1 opening, probably with wasted values in .

And with this hand, I surely want to help P in his search for slam.

 

Rdble after this sequence cannot be a suggestion to play 4XX: it is showing a control in and in light of P's single (or void) it is the Ace.

4, would deny first round control in and show a 1st or 2nd round control in H.

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At our table the bidding started:

Pass-1

3-3

4-??

- 3=10-11 with an unknown shortage

- 3=asks

- 4=singleton

(I don't think that opps did bid at our table).

And the bidding continued:

Pass-1

3-3

4-4

5-6

- For me 4 asked a control

- I think that 4 followed by 5 (iso 6) is describing this hand

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Your call?

Assuming no trick loss in Trumps, you can make the

XX after the X of partner's 4D! splinter..... showing the ACE.

 

Then if partner cuebids 4,

you could then make the 5-of-trump bid ( 5S! ) asking for the Cl Ctrl ( the unbid suit ).

 

With no Ht Ctrl bid by partner, then sign-off in 4S.

 

Slam possibility with:

K x x x,   K x x x,   x,   K J x x

 

or good chances even with:

Q x x x,   K Q x x,   x,   K x x x

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4. Cue bid not last train. I don't use last train when we have the whole five level still available.

 

This gives partner a chance to bid on if his hand is really good and I prefer it to redouble because I mainly care about a club control and how good partner's hand is. If I redouble and partner has no heart control he will nearly always bid 4, e.g. Kxxx xxxx x AKxx.

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or good chances even with:

Q x x x,   K Q x x,   x,   K x x x

 

:)

 

 

Its indeed a very good hand with 14 hcp, 3 aces and 6 card trump. But those who are adventurous about this slam has to find pd with Kxxx or less in order to have a shot at it. If pd has KQJx KQxx slam is very unlikely. In general i dont like my shortness vs a stiff. I can ruff only 1. I would probably be more ambitious if i had Axx

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4. Cue bid not last train. I don't use last train when we have the whole five level still available.

 

This gives partner a chance to bid on if his hand is really good and I prefer it to redouble because I mainly care about a club control and how good partner's hand is. If I redouble and partner has no heart control he will nearly always bid 4, e.g. Kxxx xxxx x AKxx.

Then 4 asks a control. Do you think that partner should always bid 5 over it with A (and with K)?

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At our table the bidding started:

Pass-1

3-3

4-??

- 3=10-11 with an unknown shortage

- 3=asks

- 4=singleton

(I don't think that opps did bid at our table).

If you understand each other then that's the most important, but having no meaning for 3NT over 3is bad space consuming.

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At our table the bidding started:

Pass-1

3-3

4-??

- 3=10-11 with an unknown shortage

- 3=asks

- 4=singleton

(I don't think that opps did bid at our table).

If you understand each other then that's the most important, but having no meaning for 3NT over 3is bad space consuming.

After 3:

3=void => 3NT asks which void

3NT=singleton other Major

4/4=singleton /

PS: Is it possible to do this nested quoting without manipulating the post (copy/past from other post)

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Then 4 asks a control. Do you think that partner should always bid 5 over it with A (and with K)?

No. If I only need a club control and nothing else I can try one more time. Partner should continue with a suitable hand, whatever he thinks that is. An ace and two kings would certainly qualify. Something like KQxx QJxx x Kxxx would not.

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Suppose you RDbl, how would you interpret the following bids from partner, and how would you continue?

- 4 = ? (last train agreed)

- 4 = ?

- 5 = ?

4=control (I don't play last train if the hand rather good defined)

4=No -control

5=No -control; extra's. (Eg K and AK)

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I would cooperate and XX. I don't think partner can ever bid RKC since they've so narrowly defined their hand, they can either bid 4 or 4 to show a good or bad hand. 4 here shouldn't definitely be about hearts I don't think.

 

Heck, partner could have a lot of hands with 5 (or more) spades too, xxxxx, Kxxxx, x, Ax or something like that, there's nothing that says he only has 4 spades.

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5=No -control; extra's. (Eg K and AK)

Why AK? Isn't A enough when we show extra's? Opener already showed slam interest by redoubling. Can you have something like Kxxx-QJxx-x-Axxx (or even 5 s) for example? 5-level is safe, but you just want to deny a control and show a control.

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Why AK? Isn't A enough when we show extra's? Opener already showed slam interest by redoubling. Can you have something like Kxxx-QJxx-x-Axxx (or even 5 s) for example? 5-level is safe, but you just want to deny a control and show a control.

Maybe I'm too much influenced by the actual hand (which I think is not enough to encourage partner too much and bid 5) and maybe you are tight that the hand you show is good enough to bid 5.

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Your call?

 

Is partner allowed to hold

 

Kxxxx

Kxx

x

KJxx

 

oh wait that is an opening hand now-a-days! :) You are allowed to be a human being, call XX and over 4 call 5!

 

edited after I read the voting options

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Is partner allowed to hold

 

Kxxxx

Kxx

x

KJxx

 

oh wait that is an opening hand now-a-days! :) You are allowed to be a human being, call XX and over 4 call 5!

 

edited after I read the voting options

 

Yes pd is allowed to hold this, but it is a hand of wish, a wish where KJ is more valuable than A, a wish where pd holding bad trumps is more valuable than holding good ones.

 

He is also allowed to hold;

 

KQxx

KQxx

x

Txxx

 

KJxx

Qxxx

x

Axxx

 

KQJx

JTxx

x

Kxxx

 

QJxx

Kxx

x

Axxxx

 

When he lays down these hands, we still have play at 5 level, regardless how good or bad our chances are to make, wouldnt u prefer to be in 4 ? In order to make an adventurous move to 5 level here, one must believe the hands that makes slam are more enough than the hands that risks the game.

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