Fluffy Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 ♠AKQJ109♥AJ62♦K5♣Q NS Vul, RHO opens 2♥ what do you do?, what if RHO opens 3♥? EDIT, sorry, I got the vulnerability wrong, we are Vulnerable and they are not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 Hi, X - followed by 4S. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurpoa Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 Hi, X - followed by 4S. With kind regardsMarlowe on 2♥, in our system, I would bid 3♥: a 3level cue-bid. It shows a self-sufficient suit, with about 8 tricks (8,5).If you do not play this: double and spades, at the lowest level, if partner doesn't give any positive signs.on 3♥, X, no chance P will double this, and the 4♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurpoa Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 on 2♥, in our system, I would bid 3♥: a 3level cue-bid. It shows a self-sufficient suit, with about 8 tricks (8,5).If you do not play this: double and spades, at the lowest level, if partner doesn't give any positive signs.on 3♥, X, no chance P will double this, and the 4♠ Correction: on 2♥, in our system, I would bid 3♥: a 3level cue-bid. It shows a self-sufficient suit, with about 8 tricks (8,5).If you do not play this: double and spades, at the lowest level, if partner doesn't give any positive signs.on 3♥, X, no chance P will leave this in, and then 4♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 Over 2♥ I double because I have heart length and the next hand will not be pre-empting in hearts, with a direct 3♠ a close second choice. Over 3♥ I bid 4♠. The problem is that double followed by 4♠ over 4m shows a strong flexible hand for me and not a single-suiter, so we give up on these hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 Tempted to give up on slam and bid 4♠ in both cases. Perhaps in the 1st I'll try dbl and, if pard bids a positive 3m, shoot 6♠ hoping for an ace across. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y66 Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 3S over 2H. 4S over 3H. Why double when you can show your hand type with a single bid? I think I need a little more to bid 4S over 2H like ♠AKQJ109x ♥AJ6 ♦K5 ♣Q or ♠AKQJ109 ♥AJ6 ♦KQ5 ♣x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 X then 4♠ over 2♥. 4♠ directly over 3♥. Cuebidding is silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dellache Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 Over 2♥, I'd bid DBL, followed by 4♠.Over 3♥, I'd bid 4♠ directly to avoid 2 problems :- having to rebid over 5♣ ;- avoid uncertainty in pard's mind when I rebid 4♠/4m.Still with all those controls, I'm not so happy about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 I don't understand all these doubles. Why are we trying to show a flexible hand? We should show a one-suiter in spades, the choices for which are 3♠, 4♠ or 3♥ followed by 4♠. It seems to me 3♠ is enough (especially as partner will expect more spades for 4♠). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akhare Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 4♠. Pard should expect a good hand with strong ♠, which is what I have... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted February 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 To all the doublers, if we had something like ♠Q♥AKQJ109♦AJ42♣K4 and RHO opened 2♦, would you also double? what if we had a minor and RHO opened 2/3♠? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewleongusa Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 ♠AKQJ109♥AJ62♦K5♣Q NS Vul, RHO opens 2♥ what do you do?, what if RHO opens 3♥? EDIT, sorry, I got the vulnerability wrong, we are Vulnerable and they are not. Since you don't preempt over a preempt, I would bid 4S in both cases as that would show a good hand.I would not double as I don't want to risk the auction getting out of control when say partner bids five of a minor when LHO bids some number of hearts.To make a slam on this hand you need a very good hand from partner to get rid of your heart losers. If his hand is that good partner is not going to pass 4S. Eric Leong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 To make a slam on this hand you need a very good hand from partner to get rid of your heart losers. If his hand is that good partner is not going to pass 4S.Eric LeongAs little as ♠x,♥xx,♦AQJxx,♣xxxxx makes slam very good. I doubt that partner would bid over 4♠, but the slam would be hard to bid no matter what you do. Rainer Herrmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 3S over 2H looks right to me and that is a better hand than a 4S jump. I don't really understand double of 2H at all, especially from posters who say they plan to bid 4S over what ever partner does. Over 3H I might well be tempted to try 3N. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 Double then an almost forcing 3♠ over 2♥, it is not 100% clear that you want to be in spades on this hand. x, xx, QJx, AKxxxxx needs to be played in clubs for example, x, xx, Qxxxx, AJxxx in no trumps and xx, x, QJ10xxx, Axxx in diamonds. Also are you expecting partner to bid over 4♠ with 87xx, x, Axxx, xxxx which is a cold slam. Over 3♥, a singleton heart with partner is less useful, double then 4S is probably the best I can do as a mild slam invite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 To all the doublers, if we had something like ♠Q♥AKQJ109♦AJ42♣K4 and RHO opened 2♦, would you also double? what if we had a minor and RHO opened 2/3♠? Is this a question only for the doublers with the spade hand over 2H? Agree with the 3S bidders on the OP hand. With the above variation:--3H over 2D--systemic restrictions if we had a minor and RHO opened 2M. 4m is leaping Mike, so would have to do something else. Standing on the table before bidding 3m comes to mind, but doubling and praying is probably better. Don't think we can play NT below the six level after a double and a 4M advance by pard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted February 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 partner has a monster ♠xx ♥x ♦AQJ10x ♣AJ9xx and I doubt you will miss grand whatever you do, but was curious if people think a jump to 3/4♠ and a jump to 3/4♥ show different hands since doubling with spades is much more attractive than with hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 partner has a monster ♠xx ♥x ♦AQJ10x ♣AJ9xx and I doubt you will miss grand whatever you do, but was curious if people think a jump to 3/4♠ and a jump to 3/4♥ show different hands since doubling with spades is much more attractive than with hearts. heck, i don't know...but doubling first, for us, tends to show doubt about what trump should be. When a jump over a preempt is available to show strength and a great suit ---it seems wrong to cloud the issue with a double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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