mtvesuvius Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=skq6h986d9872ckq8&n=s9ha754da6cj97432&d=w&v=b&b=4&a=pp2sppdppp]266|200|Fairly simple auction, this made two overtricks when Dummy had AT8 of spades, and North ducked the HA. ATB for this -1070. Scoring was MPs.[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 South is a nutter. He really believes he can beat 2S when a passed hand makes a passout double? Relying on a passed hand for 3 tricks is a joke.The double is superior to 3C, and South has a scrambling 2NT after the x. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dellache Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 I'd blame both, even though the result is the consequence of North's initial action.+ I don't understand double : where are we going if pard is 3+3-4+3- ? What are we going to do over 3♦ ?+ I would just balance 3♣ w/ North's hand (double would be ok w/ 6♦, I can revert to Diamonds over 3♣)+ I have sympathy for south's pass (trying to go plus when pard's double hits the wrong hand by us), but it's rather unlikely that we can set 2♠. We will not get many MP by passing. + I would just have bid 3♦ which gives me 3 chances to get MP when pard has his DBL :- they fail to DBL me and I score -100 - I score 110- LHO bid 3♠+ all in all it seems difficult to recover after North's double on these cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 I agree with North's double and I would definitely scramble with South. But I doubt we could get to 3♣ so the amount of blame is only the difference between 1070 and what we are able to salvage in 3♥X. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcD Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 Voted no blame . ***** happens. Great success for junk 2♠ opening North might bid 3♣ instead of double as he can not handle the 3♦ response but South may have a spade stack , 3♣ could be a lousy contract and it buries the hearts. Difficult not to act with spade shortage but while this would be clearcut with H and D may be pass is correct with the actual hand.I have some sympathy for South's pass : he rates to have 2 spade tricks an a club , can hope for 3 red tricks from North and the alternative 3♦ albeit not final is not really attractive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfa1010 Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 South 100%. He has a clearcut 2NT scramble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 south's pass is horrible, I prefer to bid 3♣ with north's hand but it is close Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 Who plays scrambling here? That sounds like resulting because Lebensohl is much more frequent. In that case you're booked for a bad MP score anyway, as it's going to be quite hard to play 3♣ on a Lebensohl scenario (maybe you'll get to play 4 if lucky). I'll chalk this up on "preempts work". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 I thought everyone plays scrambling opposite passed-hand takeout doubles. There is much less benefit in Lebensohl since doubler's strength is fairly well-defined (and advancer is less likely to have game interest opposite a passed hand as he passed over 2♠). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlson Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 I think south failed to visualize the whole hand. Admittedly, he got a little unlucky. If north's minors had been reversed, perhaps he would have scored only -670. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 I thought everyone plays scrambling opposite passed-hand takeout doubles. There is much less benefit in Lebensohl since doubler's strength is fairly well-defined (and advancer is less likely to have game interest opposite a passed hand as he passed over 2♠). That makes a lot of sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurpoa Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 really, that was bad luck. N has a reasonable reopening double: he has 2 QT and, seen his hand, partner is expected to have some spades... S has really nothing to say: he has 2 good spades...and... If somebody is to blame it is the 2♠ opener: LOL. Next time he goes for 800. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 Passing is a huge risk as the value of the KQx C may not be much more than a good lead. Even at pairs converting this is just poor thinking. At best this hand holds 3 defensive tricks and now relies on a passed hand to have the other 3, to me this suggests the passed hand forgot to open the bidding. I suspect this would be the last time N balanced with this partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_dude Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 I don't like defending 8 card fits at the two level when trumps are breaking. Defending potential 9 card fits opposite a passed hand is lunacy. edit: 100% South imho (misclicked on poll). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 I thought everyone plays scrambling opposite passed-hand takeout doubles. There is much less benefit in Lebensohl since doubler's strength is fairly well-defined (and advancer is less likely to have game interest opposite a passed hand as he passed over 2♠). So did I. Why on earth would you play Leb opposite a passed hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 I blame both. Both X and pass are horrible. North is basically one-suiter, an easy 3♣ overcall. What if South bid 2♦ with 4[cards] only (4-2-4-3, 4-3-4-2,etc.)? And for South, an easy 2NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dellache Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 Most of you advocate to play 2NT as scramble here (I also play that in one partnership).I was wondering if playing 2NT as NAT was really inferior at **MP** ?What about hands like a weak NT with spades stopped (KQx Kxx xxxx KQx, like in the OP) ?W/W 2NT could also be the best save (2NT down 1, 2♠ making).Unlikely ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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