Bbradley62 Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kriegel Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 It's close. Versus weaker opposition, I'll always open this. Versus opponents who will actually compete and/or double... I think I'm going to pass. If my honors were in my long suits (void KJxxx AKxxx xxx), I'd me much more comfortable opening it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 The hand fails miserably for both Rule-of-15 ( hcp + # of ♠ ) AND Rule-of-18 ( hcp + # of ♥ + ♠ ) . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 The Rule of "Huh"? If you pass, try to explain to partner how we missed 6♦ across from xxxxx x QJxxx Ax. I don't recommend Pearson Points to anyone, but at least reserve them when you don't have an opening bid in the 1st place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 Pearson points is nonsense. Open when you have an opening hand. Here you have an opening hand, so open it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 Umm, I have an opening bid. Guess what that means?! I have an opening bid! There is no such thing as a rule in bidding. There may be guidelines, but if they are abused, they are useless, pointless and bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 Pearson points is nonsense. Open when you have an opening hand. Here you have an opening hand, so open it. All mechanical methods of hand evaluation are nonsense. Unless your judgment is not refined enough so that you no longer need them - at which point you're an expert. What percentage of bridge players do you think are experts on that criterion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dellache Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 I've an opening bid, so I open.1♥.Wtp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OgrO Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 If u pass with a wonderful opening I want to play against u Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 Rule-of-18 ( hcp + # of ♥ + ♠ ) .Rule of 18 doesn't specify suits, it's your 2 longest suits. You have 5♥ + 5♦ + 11HCP = 21 so this rule doesn't fail or you're talking about some other rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcohio Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 First, I'd open this in 1st seat, so I'm opening it in 4th also. Secondly, think about the spade situation for a second... There are 13 spades between 3 people. It is likely that HCP are distributed pretty evenly. Does anyone have 6 spades? No! With 6 spades and 6-10 points, someone would have bid 2♠. Even more interestingly is that RHO probably doesn't have 5 spades, as he may have opened 3rd seat with a 5 card major and 9 or 10 pts. So, if opponents compete in spades, it is likely that we have about half the deck in points, and partner probably has 4 or 5 of them, chances are we may set them. So partner has 4 or 5 spades, that leaves 8 or 9 cards that could fit with your hand. Granted he could be 4/5 in the blacks, but that's a chance I'm willing to take here. Either we have a misfit and we find that out quickly, or the opponents compete right into the length of partner. However, if partner has a fitting hand (or even a double fitting hand) you may miss an easy game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 Rule of 18 doesn't specify suits, it's your 2 longest suits. You have 5♥ + 5♦ + 11HCP = 21 so this rule doesn't fail or you're talking about some other rule.You are talking about Rule-of-20 ... 15 and 18 are for 4th seat Openings only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 Seems like a normal 1♥ opener. Could backfire, but hey it can also backfire on OPPS, if they bid to 3/4♠ only to find out pard has 5 of them :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 rule of 1: open 1 when you have a 1 bid 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 I am more inclined to pass than most people here, however I give more importance for 4th seat decisions to factors like who the opponents are than my actual hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted January 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 Thanks for the feedback. Of the 16 tables, 9 Norths faced my situation, and I was the only one who chose to pass. I would certainly have opened this hand in first seat, but I didn't like it in fourth. Of the 8 who opened in fourth seat, 2 opened 1♦. I wish I could imbed a second poll question. At the other 7 tables, East opened in first seat holding: QJ9875, Q3, Q7, A96. (6 opened 1♠ and 1 opened 2♠.) I think this is a clear 1♠, but obviously some others didn't. This was MBC, so I take everything with a grain of salt and thought it was better to get feedback here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 Exactly, trying to draw conclusions from MBC results is like trying to figure out how far the Earth is from the sun... By walking the distance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 I would open 1♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 You are talking about Rule-of-20 ... 15 and 18 are for 4th seat Openings only.LOL http://www.bridgeguys.com/RGlossary/Ruleof19EBUorangebook.htmlhttp://en.allexperts.com/q/Bridge-other-card-2226/2010/6/rule-18.htm...-> Google Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 LOL http://www.bridgeguys.com/RGlossary/Ruleof19EBUorangebook.htmlhttp://en.allexperts.com/q/Bridge-other-card-2226/2010/6/rule-18.htm...-> Googlelol all you want, but Rule-of-15 is for 4th seat open only.... and surely you know that. "Your Rule-of-"20" ( by Marty Bergen ... which according to your references is far better than "19 or 18" counts ) is for 1st and 2nd seat openings. "My" Rule-of-18 ( which I picked up from a message board years ago ) is an adjunct to the Rule-of-15 by getting the Ht suit into the fray, and is also for 4th seat openings only .... the game is all about the MAJORS. The point being with weak hands you don't want to let the opponents get to a better part score in SPADES, especially. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 You can bring a horse to the water but you can't make it drink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 Obviously Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 This thread demonstrates the way that "rules" can be misapplied. There were many comments about Pearson Points - mostly disparaging. There is nothing wrong with Pearson Points when used as a tool and used properly. The idea behind Pearson Points is that when one is faced with a very close decision as to whether to open in 4th seat, the number of spades held can be the deciding factor. Pearson Points is the sum of the number of spades held plus high card points. If the hand contains 15 or more Pearson Points, then one should open. Note that the Pearson Points analysis is used only when the decision is very close. That is not true in this case. The hand provided is a clear opening bid in 1st, 2nd and 3rd seat. That means it is still a clear opening bid in 4th seat. You do not need Pearson Points or any of the other bidding tools discussed in this thread to make that decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 Rule of 33: If the number of HCP plus the number of cards in your two longest suits plus the number of cards in your four highest suits is at least 33, you can open. It's a variation to the rule of 20 but you can apply it in all seats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 Sooo, what happened on this hand ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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