Judgement Call

[hrothgar]

Teams

Red versus White

 

You hold

 

♠ A86432

♥ xx

♦ xx

♣ Axx

 

RHO passes.

You decide to pass as well.

(The suit is looking kind of ratty for a second suit Red/White Preempt)

 

The auction progresses as follows

 

(P) - P - (1♥) - X

(P) - ???

 

How do you advance partner's takeout double?

[the hog]

I will bid 3S here.

[kriegel]

I think standard for a double jump is preemptive, although after RHO passes, maybe a different meaning is called for.

 

Either way, I think 2♠ is enough with 6=2=2=3 and 8 points. But I do have two aces...

[Yogeshdg]

2♠

[HeartA]

2♠ or if I want to be aggressive, 2♥.

[mtvesuvius]

2♠ seems like plenty. I play 3♠ as pre-emptive (convinced by my other thread lol).

[nigel_k]

2♠ doesn't seem like plenty to me.

 

If for some reason I have agreed to play 3♠ as preemptive, then I will bid 2♥ and probably end in 4♠.

[mich-b]

I think 2♠ is not enough. I would bid 2♠ with a ♠ less , so I am at least a trick better.

If I agreed to play 3♠ as preemptive (poor agreement imo , very poor agreement as a passed hand)

I would bid 4♠ perhaps after starting with 2♥.

[Lurpoa]

Teams

Red versus White

 

You hold

 

♠ A86432

♥ xx

♦ xx

♣ Axx

 

RHO passes.

You decide to pass as well.

(The suit is looking kind of ratty for a second suit Red/White Preempt)

 

The auction progresses as follows

 

(P) - P - (1♥) - X

(P) - ???

 

How do you advance partner's takeout double?

 

 

4♠. Nothing else.

 

Over 2♠ the opps will anyhow bid ♥: 3 or 4. And what then ?

Better be in there first. !

[opferbid]

With this hand I want to play 4♠ and not invite partner with 2♠ or 3♠(if possible). For example I'd bid 2♠ with KJxx xx Kxxx Qxx without giving it a second thought and I think this hand is stronger: I can assume at least a 9 card-spade fit so with the two doubletons(even though partner might also be short in hearts) and the two aces I count like 12-13 points for this hand in a spade contract. Therefore I insist upon game opposite partners takeout-double. Maybe we play our takeout-doubles too conservative but I think 4♠ will make most of the time if my p doubles here...

 

I prefer to bid 2♥ compared to 4♠ as I have two aces which might be valuable on defense. I don't really want partner to "save" if they bid 5♥ or similar.4♠ is rather preemptive in our methods...

[mcphee]

Well I hope it makes and try 4S, or I hope they mis-defend.

[the_dude]

Agree that 3♠ should be preemptive and 2♠ seems wimpy. I'd take the plunge with 4♠.

[whereagles]

Red at imps? 4♠. (This shows 5+ spades - else would have cued first.)

[Fluffy]

Whever I have a 6 card major and partner makes a take out double my first though is to bid 4, here I don't see anything particular that prevents making what I think is the normal bid of 4♠

[CSGibson]

4♠. Not only do I have a 6 bagger with 2 first round controls in my longest suits, but all of partner's values are apt to be well placed on the auction.

[Phil]

I don't think its difficult to come up with hands where partner passes 2♠ when we are making 10 tricks.

 

4♠ for me. I also do not see the point of cuebidding here.

[kriegel]

I'd like partner to keep making aggressive T/O doubles with me as a passed hand.

 

It is close, though... 3♠ to show inv. with 6 might be a good agreement here. I've never discussed this sequence with any of my partners.

[tolvyrj]

2♥i know im only one who is afraid that prd may not have ♠, but something else; a strong wich he wants to announce by doublung first and bidding his own suit later. If i jump now to 3 or 4♠ prds 4 or 5 level minor will be a nasty surprise. By bidding 2♥ i make clear that im going to bid at least once again, so prd dont have jump anywhere. Same bid announces that i have some kind of maximum pass, will he believe my ♠ r 6 card long, i dont know cause i didnt open 2♠.

Lets see what will happen.

[whereagles]

tol, I thought of the same, but then I realized

 

1. odds are very slim pard has such a strong hand. To muddy the waters in order to cater for that magic hand is against the odds.

 

2. even if he that special hand, I actually got a nice match for supporting whatever he bids over 4♠

[Free]

I'd bid 2♠. This hand is still balanced, partner may have a light Dbl, partner may have a GOSH in which case we don't want to push the auction too fast too high,...

[gwnn]

4♠ please!

[mtvesuvius]

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That's why I bid 2♠... :)

[MrAce]

I bid 4♠

[HeartA]

2♥i know im only one who is afraid that prd may not have ♠, but something else; a strong wich he wants to announce by doublung first and bidding his own suit later. If i jump now to 3 or 4♠ prds 4 or 5 level minor will be a nasty surprise. By bidding 2♥ i make clear that im going to bid at least once again, so prd dont have jump anywhere. Same bid announces that i have some kind of maximum pass, will he believe my ♠ r 6 card long, i dont know cause i didnt open 2♠.

Lets see what will happen.

You are not the only one.

[MrAce]

2♥i know im only one who is afraid that prd may not have ♠, but something else; a strong wich he wants to announce by doublung first and bidding his own suit later. If i jump now to 3 or 4♠ prds 4 or 5 level minor will be a nasty surprise. By bidding 2♥ i make clear that im going to bid at least once again, so prd dont have jump anywhere. Same bid announces that i have some kind of maximum pass, will he believe my ♠ r 6 card long, i dont know cause i didnt open 2♠.

Lets see what will happen.

 

In theory i agree with you, but i would still bid 4♠ at the table. I may have issues now and then when pd has big hand and misfit, i agree, it can work other way arround too though, but anyway, i believe in the success rate of blasted games in imps. I believe my chances to make that 4♠ will be significantly higher than someone eachtime who started with 2♥ first and then ended up in 4♠(or any slow arrival to game bids) due to giving too much info to opponents on the way. Lead matters a lot in all borderline games.