jschafer Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=sa7hakt973da52ckt&n=s84hqj8d976caqj42]133|200[/hv]Can you 7NT get to 2/1 on this hand with North being dealer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlson Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 Maybe, but I'm not so confident. p-1♥2♣ drury - 2♦ waiting3♣ natural game try - 3♦ ostensibly retry4♥ max no help - 4n keycard5♣ one - 5♦ Q-ask5N yes, no kings - 6♣ anything extra in clubs?7♣ why yes! - 7N not an unreasonable MP guess. I'd like to think that after making a club game try north should not go to 7 with just AQJx or AQxxx, but if you told me that at another time I perpetrated the same auction with only one of those holdings, I would believe you. I think more realistic is that south does not make a grand try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 I'd be glad if I reached 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 It's very easy when not playing Drury, but drury is part of 2/1 right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 No I can't. (The only way it would work is if opener made a slam try showing 6 hearts, goads his partner into bidding RKC, then shows all keycards and ♣K. But I would just start with a balanced slam try, i.e. 2N over drury 2♣.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yogeshdg Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 Think 6hearts is enough for me and that in itself is a good acheivement :) JUst coz something makes doesn't mean it can be bid :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 Depends on what you are playing, obviously. Let's see how I would bid this with one partner... P-1♥2♣(Drury)-2NT(balanced slam try)4♦(max, not primes)-4♠(RKCB)5♦(one)... Cannot find out from there. Let's try a different method. P-1♥2♣(Drury)-2NT(balanced slam try)4♣(picture jump)-4NT(RKCB)5♦(one)-5♥(queen?)6♥(yes, no club King)-grand It seems that a picture option needs to be available in this sequence. Thus, I now think the older structure I used is inferior (partner's idea). Better after 2NT is to have 4-level picture bids, glumping shortness into perhaps 3♣ or 3♠ (extras, minimal) with relays to unwind, and 3♦/3♥/3NT for balanced unwinds. Something like that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillHiggin Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 For those that play fit jumps by a passed hand, how far off is the North hand from such? (I presume that balanced hand is not a plus factor ). South would certainly perk up upon hearing a 3♣ fit jump response! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenberg Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 Honest answer: No, I can't. But I will speculate, based on how the auction would begin with me and my clone. Pass 1♥2♣ 2NT3♣ 2♣ was Drury, 2NT was slam going, 3♣ unfortunately just shows the ace. But now suppose that S gets excited about developments and decides to get inventive. It could go: Pass 1♥2♣ 2NT3♣ 4♣4♥ 4NT5♦ 5♠? Here 4♣ is inventive, 4♥ is natural, 4NT is 1430 5♦ is one key, 5♠ is a Q ask and, since we are now committed to 6, and interest in a grand. Now N gives this some thought. Apparently S has the king of clubs. Why else would he bid 4♣ before embarking on the invitation to a grand? All the keys are accounted for, he is looking at the Q of hearts, partner has expressed interest, he has tricks in clubs, so...? Maybe it works. Maybe not. It's hard to count to 13 w/o knowing of the sixth heart, but partner is encouraging a grand and those clubs look pretty useful. Probably we end up in six, posting about how to bid seven. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 P-1♥2♣(Drury)-2NT(balanced slam try)4♣(picture jump)-4NT(RKCB)5♦(one)-5♥(queen?)6♥(yes, no club King)-grand It seems that a picture option needs to be available in this sequence. Thus, I now think the older structure I used is inferior (partner's idea). Better after 2NT is to have 4-level picture bids, glumping shortness into perhaps 3♣ or 3♠ (extras, minimal) with relays to unwind, and 3♦/3♥/3NT for balanced unwinds. Something like that. I loved this. I think i will adobt it if you don't mind :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 I might reach 6 a great deal of the time, but 7 seems hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 No I can't. (The only way it would work is if opener made a slam try showing 6 hearts, goads his partner into bidding RKC, then shows all keycards and ♣K. But I would just start with a balanced slam try, i.e. 2N over drury 2♣.) Wouldn't 1♥ - 2♣ - 3♥ show 6? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 It's very easy when not playing Drury, but drury is part of 2/1 right? Here is a concept... use 2♣ to show clubs and 2♦ as drury (assuming you play weak two diamonds). The reason being you are much less likely to want to bid 2♦ naturally as a passed hand, but you could easily have a hand that would have opened a weak two clubs -- if that was in your system (it will not be). I have a chance to get to 7H, assuming I think south's hand is an ACOL 2 ♥ bid. My system allows a 2♣ bid on an 8 trick major one suiter (this seems just short of eight tricks). However, I would not upgrade this hand so I would open 1♥ and be lucky to find slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=sa7hakt973da52ckt&n=s84hqj8d976caqj42]133|200[/hv]Can you 7NT get to 2/1 on this hand with North being dealer?Phil:Wouldn't 1♥ - 2♣ - 3♥ show 6? I agree with Phil. We might bid: Pass 1♥2♣: Reverse Drury 3♥: Slam try, 6+ hearts4♣: First or second round control, denies ♠ control, denies ♦ control (3NT would have shown a diamond control.) 4♦: I have the controls that you are denying, I am still interested.4♠: I do have a trick source, slam should be reasonable. Let's use kickback (0314). 5♣: 1 or 4 (obviously 4)5♠: Jeepers! If he has the ♣K, we have 12 sure top tricks and decent odds for a 13th. I will show that we have all keys and ask for specific kings. 6♣: I have the ♣K, but not the ♠K, I may have the ♦K.7NT: If he has the singleton ♣K, then they need to split 4-3 or something else good may happen. If he has ♣Kx, the need to split 4-2 or better. 7NT seems like a reasonable shot. The key bid is for North to use kickback, which is not obvious, but not that far fetched either. Rik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=sa7hakt973da52ckt&n=s84hqj8d976caqj42]133|200[/hv]Can you 7NT get to 2/1 on this hand with North being dealer?Opener's 2NT rebid as a slamtry can be used as "Jacoby-over-Drury" whereby Responder can show shortness with a 3-level bid and a "good" outside suit at the 4-level--in a minor for this hand ( much like KenRexford's "picture-jump" ). With neither he can just rebid the agreed Major : p - 1H2C!( 3 card limit raise ) - 2NT! ( Jac-Drury)4C! ( good 5 card suit ) - 4S! ( kickback RKC )5C! ( one ) - 5D! ( ♥ Q-ask )5NT! ( ♥ Q but no K's ) - 6C! ( must be a specific Q-ask; grandslam try )7C! (♣ Q and J ) - 7NT ( counting on 1s, 6h, 1d, 5c ) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Fit-Showing-Jumps are ON as a passed hand, but I rather they show 4 card support, since Opener may only have 4 cards for his 3rd or 4th seat opening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 perhaps this is too double dummy butmaybe: P=2C3C?=3H4H=4S(RKC)5C=5D(q ask)6h=7h or 7nt? 2c=adjusted 4 loser hand with long major+ more 3c=passed hand max with good clubs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxhong Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 p p 1H2D(3 hearts, limit raise in H) 3H(slam interest, 6+ H, balanced)4C(cuebid) 4D(last train) 4S(RKC) 4N(1 or 4)5S(no side king, but we have all KCs) 6C(CK)7NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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