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[Wackojack]

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Dealer south opponents silent.

 

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[paulg]

The optimist with gadget:

[hv=d=s&v=0&b=11&a=1dp1hp1n(Gazilli)p2h(constructive)p3d(16+, single-suited diamonds)p4dp4sp5dppp]266|200[/hv]

 

The pessimist:

 

[hv=d=s&v=0&b=11&a=1dp1hp3dp3hp3sp4dp4sp5dppp]266|200[/hv]

[hotShot]

[hv=d=s&v=0&b=11&a=2d(artificial,F1, 5-4 loser)p2s(8-11%20HCP%2C%20undef.%20single%20or%20void)p2n(asking%20relay)p3s(short%20spades)p5dppp]166|100[/hv]

[TWO4BRIDGE]

I'm afraid I might get into trouble with my favorite gadget.

With suit agreement, I'm tempted to launch into RKC ( by South ), and I'm only saved from destruction if North doesn't give a "void reply" :

 

1D - 1H

2S! - 2NT! ( artificial GF -- asks )

3D! - 4D ( long ♦, no 4s, no 3h -- agree ♦ )

4H! - 4NT! ( kickback RKC -- 2nd step = 1 key )

5D

 

But if Opener had the ♥A instead of the of the ♠A, slam is practically a laydown.

Tough problem.

[peachy]

"Opponents silent" appears to be unlikely, but I guess it is possible.

[OleBerg]

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Dealer south opponents silent.

 

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1♦ -1 ♥ (Natural)

2♣ - 2 ♥ (Rebid in diamonds, unlimited - 9-11, 6 hearts)

2♠ - 3 ♦ (Values in spades, forcing 1 round - Natural)

4♣ - 4♦ (Slammy with diamonds - Better than 5♦, not 3 aces)

4♠ - 5♦ (Excatcly 2 aces, cuebid in spades - At most one ace.)

[jillybean]

1♦:1♥

3♦:5♦ :lol:

[mtvesuvius]

1♣ - 1NT [15+ Any; Semipositive with 5+♥]

2♣ - 2♦ [GF Relay; 4+♣]

2♥ - 2♠ [Relay; 5-5+]

2N - 3♣ [Relay; Spade Shortness]

3♦ - 4♦ [Relay; 0625 with 4 AKQ points]

 

After this start, we'd be in 6♦ probably... By breaking the relay after 2♦, perhaps we could survive:

 

1♣ - 1NT

2♣ - 2♦

3♦ - 3♥ [Natural Relay Break; Natural]

4♦ - 4♠ [setting Trump & Demanding Cuebids; 1st(2nd) Round Control (4♥ is RKC)]

4N - 5♦ [RKC for Diamonds; 1/4]

All Pass

[whereagles]

I would reach 5♦ nearly all the time, with a slam-try in between.

[tolvyrj]

1♦- 11- 16 2+♦- 1♥ 7+ hcp.4+♥-

2♣art. forcing for round- 2♥ waiting probaply 5+♥-

2♠ strentgh in spades- 3♣art. asking stopper

4♦long suit, no ♥,no ♣stopper- 5♦with agony but KJ in ♦must be useful

2♠r not a suit cause it would have been bid instead 2♣, KJ in♦with void in ♠covers only 2 losers and prd has them at least 4 cause opening was not 1♣ artifical and strong, otherwise opener has shown as strong as possible.

Not very convincing i know, but thats our system :rolleyes:

[xxhong]

2D(about 19-20 HCP or 8 to 8.5 playing tricks) 2H(relayed)

3D(D one suiter, 6+ D) 3H(5+ H, gf)

3S(S value) 3N (suggest to play there)

4D(very extreme shape and short H) 5D( to play)

[JLOGIC]

1D 1H

3D 3H

3S 4D

4S 5D

 

for an easy natural bidding auction

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

1D (1) - 1H

2NT (2) - 3C (3)

3D (4) - 4D (5)

4S (6) - 5D (7)

 

(1) 5 card major system, weak NT

(2) forcing, 6+ diamonds, at least inv. strength

(3) relais, accepting the game invite, asking for

further clarifiction

(4) denies 3hearts

(5) slam interest

(6) Cue, showes Ace or king in spades, denies the

Ace of hearts, the alternative is 4NT

(7) nothing left to say, showes 1KC, with 2KC, 4NT

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[MrAce]

1D 1H

3D 3H

3S 4D

4S 5D

 

for an easy natural bidding auction

 

Sounds like a winner to me.

[inquiry]

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Dealer south opponents silent.

 

Bid this with your favourite system/gadgets

 

South opens 2♦ = multi, either weak two in a major, a really big balanced hand (22-25) or 9 1/2 trick minor one suiter. We may be stretching for the 1/2 a trick here

North will rebid 2♠ out of fear opener had a weak two in spades.

South will rebid 3♦ to show the minor one suiter. Now game is a foof, and slam is possible.

North might try a splinter in spades, since he has more than adequate diamond support

South will not be happy with the spade splinter and will signoff in 5♦

North will look at his spade void and undisclosed heart king and wish he could do more. He can't.

 

2D - 2S

3D - 4S

5D - pass

[MrAce]

South opens 2♦ = multi, either weak two in a major, a really big balanced hand (22-25) or 9 1/2 trick minor one suiter. We may be stretching for the 1/2 a trick here

 

 

I don't mind the 1/2 trick but where is the 9th trick vs a void or stiff ? 4 loser doesnt mean 9 tricks hand.

[Siegmund]

No laughing, now:

 

2C (~21+ or 9+ tricks) - 2D (waiting, better than a bust)

4D (9 tricks in diamonds, less than normal 2C high-card strength) - 5D (OK, I may have two tricks for you, but I can't see 3. If you wanted me to cuebid side kings you could have chosen a different bid; 4D said "count your aces and trump winners, and raise accordingly.")

 

And yes I think 9 tricks is a fair estimate, MrAce. Opposite a void you need an honor to drop (youll have to guess whether to lead low to crash a doubleton king or high to smother a doubleton jack, if nothing falls under the ace), opposite a singleton all you need is an even break OR a lucky drop.

[Cascade]

5♦ All Pass

[akhare]

Are we red? If so, seems like an easy enough 5♦ opening.

[inquiry]

I don't mind the 1/2 trick but where is the 9th trick vs a void or stiff ? 4 loser doesnt mean 9 tricks hand.

 

Opposite a singleton small, you still have 65% chance of losing only one diamond (stiff king, stiff jack in either opponent hand, or 2/2). Opposite stiff K or J, obviously chances for two diamond losers decreases remarkably. Opposite a void, you need to catch Jx or stiff king, something like that, decreasing the odds considerably. Opposite a small doubleton, you are up to 89% chance of losing only one (at most) diamond (assuming you can get to dummy if need be). However, not need to be so pesstimistic.

 

So what are the odds of partner having a diamond void? Well, there are 5 diamonds out, he has a 1/3 chance of having each of the five, so for him to have none would be unexpected. But against the majority (well more than 50%) of possible hands, it will take 7 diamonds (or more) and two spades. It is hard to imagine the 1/2 trick, but the solidity of the diamond suit (T987) means you can benifit if you catch a singleton honor in their hands. I stand by my original assessment, this is only an overbid by the 1/2 of a trick, and with this hand, I would open it this way all the time -- because I am not likely to stop short of 5♦ anyway, might as well try for slam on the way with 2♦ than just opening 5♦ or risking partner passing 3♦ rebid with, say, a doubleton spade and the stiff diamond king and pretty much out.

[Cascade]

So what are the odds of partner having a diamond void? Well, there are 5 diamonds out, he has a 1/3 chance of having each of the five, so for him to have none would be unexpected.

 

This is a slight underestimate as you give the opponents each diamond the odds of partner having the next diamond increases.

 

For the first diamonds the odds are 13/39 = 1/3

 

For the second diamond the odds are 13/38 (assuming partner didn't get the first one)

 

So the probability of partner having no diamonds is 26/39 * 25/38 * 24/37 * 23/36 * 22/35 = 0.114

 

Alternatively 34 (non-diamonds) choose 13 (cards for partner) divided by 39 (including the diamonds) choose 13 (cards for partner) which unsurprisingly comes to the same thing.

[MrAce]

Opposite a singleton small, you still have 65% chance of losing only one diamond (stiff king, stiff jack in either opponent hand, or 2/2). Opposite stiff K or J, obviously chances for two diamond losers decreases remarkably. Opposite a void, you need to catch Jx or stiff king, something like that, decreasing the odds considerably. Opposite a small doubleton, you are up to 89% chance of losing only one (at most) diamond (assuming you can get to dummy if need be). However, not need to be so pesstimistic.

 

I see your point. My concern is, when u plan to make a bid that shows SELF SUFFICIENT trump and pretty much takes out the partner from bidding, requires PRECISION in trick counts. Not % 85 or % 90.

 

You do not have a self-sufficient suit, and you don't know if pd will bid 2♥ or 2♠ before you open 2♦. Lets say it went like this;

 

2♦--2♥

3♦

 

From here pretty much a possible ♠ fit will be lost and upsetting if pd has a side Ace too. Something like QJTxxx xx x Axxx. Dont know your system but, i doubt he will seek another trump when u said "do not worry about trumps, show me other stuff"

 

My point is, u are right that you are likely to land on your feet the way u wanna handle this hand, but treating this suit like a self-sufficient trump, will probably cause a lot of different problems if not this time on another one.

[inquiry]

I see your point. My concern is, when u plan to make a bid that shows SELF SUFFICIENT trump and pretty much takes out the partner from bidding, requires PRECISION in trick counts. Not % 85 or % 90.

 

You do not have a self-sufficient suit, and you don't know if pd will bid 2♥ or 2♠ before you open 2♦. Lets say it went like this;

 

2♦--2♥

3♦

 

From here pretty much a possible ♠ fit will be lost and upsetting if pd has a side Ace too. Something like QJTxxx xx x Axxx. Dont know your system but, i doubt he will seek another trump when u said "do not worry about trumps, show me other stuff"

 

My point is, u are right that you are likely to land on your feet the way u wanna handle this hand, but treating this suit like a self-sufficient trump, will probably cause a lot of different problems if not this time on another one.

 

I don't desire to hijack this simple thread which asked to bid it in "your system." But I will respond to this post, despite fears it is getting off target. You are not totally wrong in your latest post, since you are right about one thing, It was you said "Dont know your system...". In fact it is CLEAR that you do not, because you added a requirement that does not exist and then used that as a strawman. I do not require a "self-sufficient suit", actually far from it. I do not require partner to "show me stuff". Partner can pass 3♦, we most often end up in 3NT, and finding spades is not out of the question if partner responds 2♥, nor is finding hearts out of the question if partner responds 2♠.

 

All I show is a minor one suiter and a good hand. One only has to read what I said about the 3♦ bid ("South opens 2♦ = multi, either weak two in a major, a really big balanced hand (22-25) or 9 1/2 trick minor one suiter"). I have opened it with a queen high suit. One can read my bidding blog and see that if fact, I do not require anything approaching a self-sufficient suit. Some require such a suit to side-step regulations that forbid passing 2♦ if your hand is sufficient to make game opposite the "strong" variant of the 2♦ opening. I think it was Frances who mentioned on rgb to make the diamond suit "solid" so one could pass with a lot of diamonds and a weak hand with a diamond honor because partner then could not have the "strong" version (if not Frances, someone did). I have no such concerns and have never stated such a requirement. I use this 2D-any-3D auction to limit my 1D-1 any-3D auctions, and putting a "self-sufficient" requirement would screw up my much more frequent auctions. But thanks for the mis-guided advice.

[MrAce]

 

All I show is a minor one suiter and a good hand. One only has to read what I said about the 3♦ bid ("South opens 2♦ = multi, either weak two in a major, a really big balanced hand (22-25) or 9 1/2 trick minor one suiter"). I have opened it with a queen high suit.

 

Sorry. It is my bad to read it as 9.5 tricks or more, which made me think you then need to have a self-sufficient suit. I didn't know it was passable.

[Cyberyeti]

Close choice between 5♦ opener and 1♦-1♥-2N(GF unbal)-3♣(relay)-3♦-4♦-4♥(keycard)-4N(1)-5♦